The funniest review I've seen lately was from Kotaku, where the author wanted to fly to the Grand Canyon. He didn't want to learn anything (mentioned the plane had something called AOA which he didn't know what it was and didn't want to learn), and then right after he mentioned that, he tells us he crashed.  Big surprise!

 

https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/08/microsoft-flight-simulator-is-boring-so-let-sega-make-the-top-gun-dlc-15055086/

"Civilization 6 is boring so let's let Nintendo make it into Mario Bros."

 

It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that this title went quickly to Xbox. The very nature of most desktop flying games and sims is that you can pretty much be a pilot without having to learn much of anything. Even in a complex sim like MFSF, you can just dumb everything down and go be an "airline pilot." That's a pretty big draw. It's true that real flying excludes many due to the expense, but it also presents a lengthy and difficult learning curve. It seems that a sizeable portion of today's culture wants instant gratification. I spent twenty years building an Experimental AC from raw materials and a set of plans. It took massive dedication and patience to see it through to the end. What young person today would do such a stupid thing?

You point to the expense of flying today in one sentence and then go back to saying that people are too dumb and lazy to fly for real?

Lots more people would get a PPL if the whole thing weren't so insanely expensive. Even for a high middle class income, it's just a giant hole that you pour money down until you run out of money. Laziness has nothing to do with it.

 

On 8/10/2021 at 2:24 PM, Ianrivaldosmith said:

https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/08/microsoft-flight-simulator-is-boring-so-let-sega-make-the-top-gun-dlc-15055086/

Honestly, working with a company to bring an actual campaign of some sort to MSFS would be pretty cool.  Asobo can keep working on the actual simulation content, while a third party built something with ongoing goals and "progression", like some add-ons already try to add to the sim.

34 minutes ago, eslader said:

You point to the expense of flying today in one sentence and then go back to saying that people are too dumb and lazy to fly for real?

Lots more people would get a PPL if the whole thing weren't so insanely expensive. Even for a high middle class income, it's just a giant hole that you pour money down until you run out of money. Laziness has nothing to do with it.

 

I never said people were Dumb and lazy. You took that out of context.

Great!

Now reduce tooltip size. 😄

52 minutes ago, Scottoest said:

Honestly, working with a company to bring an actual campaign of some sort to MSFS would be pretty cool.  Asobo can keep working on the actual simulation content, while a third party built something with ongoing goals and "progression", like some add-ons already try to add to the sim.

I think a career mode, or a proper mission system on xbox is a MUST. An to be honest, they should have thought of that sooner. 

4 minutes ago, leprechaunlive said:

I think a career mode, or a proper mission system on xbox is a MUST. An to be honest, they should have thought of that sooner. 

While it would have been a nice addition I can hear the critics now. "It has a carreer Mode, it's just a game! No PROPER sim has a career mode" ....lol

They arleady criticize being awarded points for the landing challenges

What XBox needs is a good arcade like addon to keep people interested after they've flown over their own house. 

For example an Air Racing addon with different races like Reno Air Races, Red Bull Air Races with different courses like Dubai, Budapest and so on. 

That would be plenty fun, both for XBox and PC simmers. 

On 8/9/2021 at 8:48 PM, Republic3D said:

I'm glad it's getting good reviews.

However, I see the term "showcase" being used by some. So I wonder what will happen after everyone has flown over their own house and checked out the Manhattan skyline. Those who find it deeply engaging every time will return, but they will also realize there's not much available depth to the sim unless you switch to PC with more peripherals, addons, mods, freeware etc. I guess that's not necessarily a bad thing, as I want the PC version and community to grow. 

Well, that took 4 posts for someone to go negative. 

Also: inaccurate.

 

4 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

Well, that took 4 posts for someone to go negative. 

Also: inaccurate.

 

It's accurate. 

Also did you read my latest post? I have a suggestion how to create more interest. Which is positive. 

If you search for something negative you will always find it. 

Here's a portion of one of the reviews posted above that captured my attention because it is all too true:

"Those first couple of hours while you’re going to famous places is fun but when you’re finished messing about you begin to question what the game is actually about and you realise that the answer is ‘nothing’. This really is just a simulation. It’s not meant to be a game, there’s no gameplay and they couldn’t even be bothered to add in some hoops to fly through or anything."

This is the most ironically hilarious thing to me: "This really is just a simulation," as if that's not a very good thing because "there's no gameplay." The problem is, it's true. Many negative, frustrated AVSIM posts over the past year like to try to denigrate, castigate and downgrade MSFS, that it's only a game and not a simulation. Sorry, Call of Duty is a game. Destiny is a game. Warcraft is a game. Minecraft is a game. Fortnight is a game. MSFS 2020 is a simulation and that still worries me a bit in that the X-Box universe is by in large a gaming universe, not a simulation platform. Yet here we are. I worry that as others have wondered that once "gamers" fly around a bit, find their home and the Eiffel Tower and such, that they drop it from their list of things to do, theoretically anyway. Can MSFS survive long term even under ASOBO if interest from X-Box games wanes?

United001

17 minutes ago, united001 said:

Here's a portion of one of the reviews posted above that captured my attention because it is all too true:

"Those first couple of hours while you’re going to famous places is fun but when you’re finished messing about you begin to question what the game is actually about and you realise that the answer is ‘nothing’. This really is just a simulation. It’s not meant to be a game, there’s no gameplay and they couldn’t even be bothered to add in some hoops to fly through or anything."

This is the most ironically hilarious thing to me: "This really is just a simulation," as if that's not a very good thing because "there's no gameplay." The problem is, it's true. Many negative, frustrated AVSIM posts over the past year like to try to denigrate, castigate and downgrade MSFS, that it's only a game and not a simulation. Sorry, Call of Duty is a game. Destiny is a game. Warcraft is a game. Minecraft is a game. Fortnight is a game. MSFS 2020 is a simulation and that still worries me a bit in that the X-Box universe is by in large a gaming universe, not a simulation platform. Yet here we are. I worry that as others have wondered that once "gamers" fly around a bit, find their home and the Eiffel Tower and such, that they drop it from their list of things to do, theoretically anyway. Can MSFS survive long term even under ASOBO if interest from X-Box games wanes?

United001

Agreed.  Saw this post and thought, yup Xbox gamers expecting some sort of apolitical game where things blow up and such.  And no, using an xbox controller is absolutely not flying a plane using proper controls.  Personally beyond the sights out the window I want great technical flying simulation, and am yet to actually have that.  We need more and hopefully it will get the attention it needs.  Somehow I worry about MS total control this sim and what appears to be very limited ability for developers to make great strides.