3 hours ago, fppilot said:

What will be interesting to watch as we see more Carenado releases of models they first developed for previous simulators is if they correct the bugs/flaws they did not attend to after those earlier releases.

Most of the C170 bugs like the weird electrical issues got ported across. We will see.

On 8/19/2021 at 11:40 AM, bobcat999 said:

I love this aircraft.  If it is anything like their Seneca quality wise, I will definitely look at getting it.

Agree, their Seneca is so well done - my only issue has nothing to do with Carenado and that is simply that the engines are huge so the pilot doesn't get a great view.

Anyways, Skymaster is an instant buy.

18 hours ago, elcaro said:

  But I never understood why Carenado doesn't just make up their mind to finish the job, do quality work, and gain the reputation of a quality 3rd party source, instead of just a mediocre one.  Stuff not modeled and dummy switches/knobs are major buzzkills for me.  And yes, I'm completely willing to pay the extra few bucks for that.

Go the Carenado forum here on avsim, and you'll find a ton of threads discussing just this issue. 

Carenado don't cater to the "hardcore simmer" who wants every button modeled and every switch to do what it does in real life. That would make it a completely different company. 

Their business model is to wrap a pretty model around default gauges, release, release a patch, maybe a second one, done, moving on to the next plane. Fixes are then left to the community to implement. 

The problem is: people buy Carenado, hate Carenado, then continue buying from Carenado. It's a never-ending hamster wheel.

Their business model seems to work for them. 

 

 

8 hours ago, HPG said:

Agree, their Seneca is so well done - my only issue has nothing to do with Carenado and that is simply that the engines are huge so the pilot doesn't get a great view.

Anyways, Skymaster is an instant buy.

Seminole has much better visibility, lower engines. 

46 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

 Fixes are then left to the community to implement. 

Unfortunately this is not possible anymore due to the Marketplace.  This is why a lot of us don't want to buy things on there.  All files are locked.  For P3D and FSX, Bert Pieke had fixed a lot of the annoying leftover bugs Carenado had.  But we can't do that now.  We're also waiting nearly a month to have things fixed.  I don't know of that delay is from Microsoft or Carenado but I suspect the former. 

8 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

Unfortunately this is not possible anymore due to the Marketplace.  This is why a lot of us don't want to buy things on there.  All files are locked.  For P3D and FSX, Bert Pieke had fixed a lot of the annoying leftover bugs Carenado had.  But we can't do that now.  We're also waiting nearly a month to have things fixed.  I don't know of that delay is from Microsoft or Carenado but I suspect the former. 

Just curious how are others modding default aircraft such as the TBM etc but can’t mod marketplace aircraft? Shouldn't these be locked as well? 

Can a plane released to the market place, read mods in the community folder?

51 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

Can a plane released to the market place, read mods in the community folder?

I would say yes, but it is the marketplace encryption system that is the problem stopping the deeper modifications. 

Although some people have succeeded in modding planes such as the default classic Cessna C172 (encrypted due to being premium), and even the B787 to some degree.

I also have camera mods for most of my Carenado aircraft that work just fine, and repaints (Ryan for instance has done loads for the Mooney).  So I think it is the deeper systems and flight model etc. that may be difficult to modify.

Edited August 21, 20214 yr by bobcat999

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

I would say yes, but it is the marketplace encryption system that is the problem stopping the deeper modifications. 

Although some people have succeeded in modding planes such as the default classic Cessna C172 (encrypted due to being premium), and even the B787 to some degree.

The issue is you have no idea what the encrypted files look like you have to guess and use trial and error to create a matching mod file.

With things like the Longitude performance mod they used the CJ4 as a template.

 

5 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

The issue is you have no idea what the encrypted files look like you have to guess and use trial and error to create a matching mod file.

With things like the Longitude performance mod they used the CJ4 as a template.

 

In situations where there's an unencrypted version of the mod available from third party stores could that be used to provide the template for a mod that also works on the Marketplace version ?

32 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

In situations where there's an unencrypted version of the mod available from third party stores could that be used to provide the template for a mod that also works on the Marketplace version ?

One would think so.

I am not a modder or dev though to say for sure.

The issue with Carenado is there are no third party store versions.

4 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Can a plane released to the market place, read mods in the community folder?

Yes.  But the fixes I'm specifically referring to for Carenado's aircraft, which would require access to the .fsarchive files, are locked.  For instance, in P3D, Bert was able to modify the xml files to make the autopilot work a lot more realistically.  The same files are locked in MSFS.  Yes it is possible to make a from-scratch flight model edit and it has been done (example C700 longitude fix - however the author knows it would be easier to fix with full access).  But it would be a lot easier to fiddle with this kind of stuff with access to the flight model files. 

Edited August 21, 20214 yr by ryanbatcund

56 minutes ago, ryanbatcund said:

Yes.  But the fixes I'm specifically referring to for Carenado's aircraft, which would require access to the .fsarchive files, are locked.  For instance, in P3D, Bert was able to modify the xml files to make the autopilot work a lot more realistically.  The same files are locked in MSFS.  Yes it is possible to make a from-scratch flight model edit and it has been done (example C700 longitude fix - however the author knows it would be easier to fix with full access).  But it would be a lot easier to fiddle with this kind of stuff with access to the flight model files. 

I wonder if anyone tried asking Carenado for decrypted copies of XML files ?

There doesn't appear to be any utility to them without the rest of the module so from a anti-piractypoint of view there doesn't seem a good reason not to pass them along 🙂

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On 8/21/2021 at 8:11 AM, Ricardo41 said:

Their business model is to wrap a pretty model around default gauges, release, release a patch, maybe a second one, done, moving on to the next plane. Fixes are then left to the community to implement. 

The community can't fix them anymore.  And there are a lot of companies making pretty models now.  Pretty was their edge.  Not so much anymore.  The 337 was the last airplane they got an Avsim Gold Star for, if I recall, many years ago and many releases since.  For me, I wish they'd offer an alternate autopilot or even an alternate set of instruments.  These are old airplanes and there are a lot of configurations these days.