August 29, 20214 yr Asking this, because looking at Germany in Bingmaps, it looks like they may have updated the maps. Jorg talked about updated Bingdata for Germany for the upcoming WU, but I understood that Bing updates get streamed into MSFS in realtime. Am I wrong? Is it done in WUs only? The same for Switzerland, which looks to have extremely nice data. Edited August 29, 20214 yr by 767lover
August 29, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, 767lover said: Asking this, because looking at Germany in Bingmaps, it looks like they may have updated the maps. Jorg talked about updated Bingdata for Germany for the upcoming WU, but I understood that Bing updates get streamed into MSFS in realtime. Am I wrong? Is it done in WUs only? The same for Switzerland, which looks to have extremely nice data. Yes, BING updates get into the sim in real time. World updates are more about hand made stuff or improvements of the base scenery (POI, materials, custom buildings, airports, mesh...) 7800X3D | 2x32 GB DDR5-6000 CL32 | RTX 5080 | Alienware OLED 34" | 1 Gbps fiber
August 29, 20214 yr Bing Map updates do not automatically show up in the sim. There might be some occasional minor updates but in general Bing Maps imagery is updated in the world updates. You can see this e.g. in Switzerland that has all new imagery in Bing Maps but not in the sim (yet). As for Germany, in a recent interview in a German gaming magazine Neumann said that Bing Maps had new aerial imagery for Germany, probably taken about a year ago. This new imagery will be included in the upcoming update. Edited August 29, 20214 yr by Shack95 i9-11900K, RTX 4090, 32 GB ram, Honeycomb Alpha and Bravo, TCA Airbus sidestick and quadrant, Reverb G2
August 29, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, 767lover said: Asking this, because looking at Germany in Bingmaps, it looks like they may have updated the maps. Jorg talked about updated Bingdata for Germany for the upcoming WU, but I understood that Bing updates get streamed into MSFS in realtime. Am I wrong? Is it done in WUs only? The same for Switzerland, which looks to have extremely nice data. No, AFAIK, Bing Maps do not get streamed in real time. The raw Bing imagery has to be post-processed by Black Shark, who perform a variety of steps - color correcting the images (if needed), removal of artifacts like clouds, insuring that images from adjacent areas blend as smoothly as possible at image borders, inserting code to control where autogen will appear etc. I don’t think it is possible that if Bing publishes an updated image on a certain day, that it will appear in the sim immediately. Jim BarrettLicensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.
August 29, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said: Yes, BING updates get into the sim in real time. I don't think so. As others have mentioned, Blackshark AI has to convert the 2D satellite data in Bing to 3D objects, especially the buildings and houses. From my understanding, the houses and buildings are flattened 2D objects in the satellite data in Bing. Blackshark AI will analyze the 2D objects, and if it recognizes it's a house or a building, it will convert the house/building into a 3D object for MSFS. This is my understanding of how Blackshark AI works, but if someone else knows the details of the Blackshark AI process, they can correct me. And then Blackshark AI may do more, as JRBarrett commented. i5-12400, RTX 3060 Ti, 32 GB RAM
August 29, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, abrams_tank said: I don't think so. As others have mentioned, Blackshark AI has to convert the 2D satellite data in Bing to 3D objects, especially the buildings and houses. From my understanding, the houses and buildings are flattened 2D objects in the satellite data in Bing. Blackshark AI will analyze the 2D objects, and if it recognizes it's a house or a building, it will convert the house/building into a 3D object for MSFS. This is my understanding of how Blackshark AI works, but if someone else knows the details of the Blackshark AI process, they can correct me. And then Blackshark AI may do more, as JRBarrett commented. Yes, the others are right... I am reading this thread now: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/bing-maps-updated-how-long-till-sim-updates/404514 7800X3D | 2x32 GB DDR5-6000 CL32 | RTX 5080 | Alienware OLED 34" | 1 Gbps fiber
August 29, 20214 yr 59 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said: Yes, BING updates get into the sim in real time. No they don't. They need to be processed first through Azure and Blackshark AI. And that is not done automatically. Edited August 29, 20214 yr by Farlis
August 29, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, abrams_tank said: I don't think so. As others have mentioned, Blackshark AI has to convert the 2D satellite data in Bing to 3D objects, especially the buildings and houses. From my understanding, the houses and buildings are flattened 2D objects in the satellite data in Bing. Blackshark AI will analyze the 2D objects, and if it recognizes it's a house or a building, it will convert the house/building into a 3D object for MSFS. This is my understanding of how Blackshark AI works, but if someone else knows the details of the Blackshark AI process, they can correct me. And then Blackshark AI may do more, as JRBarrett commented. They also use outdated Open Street Map data to help generate buildings. I think Blackshark is used mostly in areas where there isn't any OSM data. The company also makes the procedural models used for the buildings based on WU patch notes wording. Edited August 29, 20214 yr by Tuskin38
August 30, 20214 yr Well this is disappointing. what are we streaming in real time? The processed stuff from Blackshark? how are we getting such incredible looking scenery? where did we get this notion that it’s pulling in bing data? Apparently it is just not in real time? Edited August 30, 20214 yr by briansommers Ciao!
August 30, 20214 yr 35 minutes ago, briansommers said: Well this is disappointing. what are we streaming in real time? The processed stuff from Blackshark? how are we getting such incredible looking scenery? where did we get this notion that it’s pulling in bing data? Apparently it is just not in real time? Disappointing... why? The Bing data is the base, but what you see, is the finished product 🙂 Bert
August 30, 20214 yr It’s not in real-time. I was thinking it was as well. but, like you said it looks great in the end and makes me “feel” like I’m really flying. Ciao!
August 30, 20214 yr 54 minutes ago, briansommers said: what are we streaming in real time? The processed stuff from Blackshark? how are we getting such incredible looking scenery? where did we get this notion that it’s pulling in bing data? Apparently it is just not in real time? We are streaming Bing Maps aerial imagery but it‘s not the exact version you see in Bing Maps and thus updates in Bing Maps aren‘t automatically in the sim. They bundle the updated Bing data and release them in the world updates. If I remember correctly they said that releasing every little update in Bing Maps wasn‘t practical with all the post-processing and what not. Edited August 30, 20214 yr by Shack95 i9-11900K, RTX 4090, 32 GB ram, Honeycomb Alpha and Bravo, TCA Airbus sidestick and quadrant, Reverb G2
August 30, 20214 yr 31 minutes ago, Shack95 said: They bundle the updated Bing data and release them in the world updates. I am not sure that is correct.. I believe that they release them when they have them ready.. I would not be surprised if World Updates bring focus to the effort, but that is not the only way that updates can reach us.. Bert
August 30, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said: I am not sure that is correct.. I believe that they release them when they have them ready.. I would not be surprised if World Updates bring focus to the effort, but that is not the only way that updates can reach us.. Switzerland was updated with all new aerial imagery on bing maps which isn't in MSFS yet, but will be next week with the World Update.
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