3 minutes ago, SubtotalGuide said:

Don't you see the issue? These kind of features have to be justified first. Like when Jorg asked why we would need historic weather. It's like he doesn't understand why these things are important in a flight sim.

Do you expect them to implement just anything WITHOUT a justification? That wouldn't make any sense at all...

Edit: and with respect to the historic weather... Jörg said in one of the Q&As: I see this request gets a lot of support, so please list the reasons for it in the forum, and we'll see what we can do. Keep in mind that historic live weather most likely adds to the running cost because I'm sure Meteoblue will charge extra for this. 

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5 minutes ago, rka said:

Honestly, I can see nothing that would support that claim. This sim is on the market less than two years. The PMDG 737 is expected within weeks or months. Asobo are working hard to improve loads of stuff that has nothing to do with outside world looks. They hired WT etc. pp.

I really don't get why the fact that this sim look good leads people to believe that would be the only thing that is important for them when the actual video that is being discussed shows that this is not the case.

Simply because the SDK/Simconnect is not enhanced enough. Many features are still disabled because it has not been made yet.

And it is indeed on the market 1.5 years now and before that several years in development so imho it should have been more enhanced by now.  We all know what happened when WU/SU were released. 

The way it evolves up to now supports what I wrote before.

Regarding the PMDG :  Lets wait till it has been released as several times there appeared unexpected issues…  After years in the Flightsim scene I prefer seeing instead of always beleaving what is written in the marketing hype of a product …,

Hopefully it all turns out good 👍🏻 

 

as usual, this thread is heating up while we wait impatiently for the next World update Australia, count down in 82 hours.

4 minutes ago, psolk said:

Um, they've already had 1 release in MSFS, the 737 will be their 2nd within 2 years of release of a brand new sim platform....  2 new aircraft releases from PMDG within two years of release of a brand new sim and you are complaining? 

 

Not complaining. Just pointing out a fact. I'm optimistic and confident that we will eventually get there.

1 minute ago, turbomax said:

as usual, this thread is heating up while we wait impatiently for the next World update Australia, count down in 82 hours.

Heating up but at least folks are keeping it civil

2 minutes ago, turbomax said:

as usual, this thread is heating up while we wait impatiently for the next World update Australia, count down in 82 hours.

If it's not delayed. 😀

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5 minutes ago, pstrub said:

Do you expect them to implement just anything WITHOUT a justification? That wouldn't make any sense at all...

Agreed  I would need a justification and someone to explain to me why we need historical weather as well to be fair.  In all my years of using ActiveSky it has been set to real world live weather depiction, I've never used historic weather in all my years of simming so someone would need to "justify" it to me too and I've been simming since the Commodore64... 

What is obvious to some is not to others, people shouldn't assume.   

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Edited January 28, 20224 yr by turbomax

4 hours ago, pstrub said:

Somehow even the most critical simmers respect him.He has a great way of explaining why certain things aren't as simple to solve as they look to the average simmer.

he? you mean like in Robert Randazzo? 😊

Edited January 28, 20224 yr by turbomax

Just now, turbomax said:

he, like in Robert Randazzo?

Matt Nischan from WorkingTitle.

3 minutes ago, DJJose said:

Not complaining. Just pointing out a fact. I'm optimistic and confident that we will eventually get there.

What fact?  That they had the DC6 released in the first year of a brand new platform and are already on to their 2nd release within 2 years and we could have a PMDG 737 within 24 months of a brand new release?  

You are right, that is an awesome fact to point out I don't think we've ever seen, it took 4 years to port it from FSX in 2011 to P3D in 2015 I believe....  Heck, the update to the 747 on the same platform took them 3 years.  What facts are you pointing out without any frame of reference and a total lack of realistic expectations based on precedent? 

Wow, why wasn't Lockheed Martin more focused on PMDG shame on them! 

29 minutes ago, GSalden said:

Simply because the SDK/Simconnect is not enhanced enough. Many features are still disabled because it has not been made yet.

And it is indeed on the market 1.5 years now and before that several years in development so imho it should have been more enhanced by now.  We all know what happened when WU/SU were released. 

The way it evolves up to now supports what I wrote before.

Regarding the PMDG :  Lets wait till it has been released as several times there appeared unexpected issues…  After years in the Flightsim scene I prefer seeing instead of always beleaving what is written in the marketing hype of a product …,

Hopefully it all turns out good 👍🏻 

 

This really bothers me for some reason.  We have never looked at sims by when they "started" development.  No sim has ever been held to that standard so why anyone would hold MSFS to that standard is beyond me. It is a complete double standard.  There is one user on the forums who repeatedly points out that MSFS is not 18 months old but 6.5 years old. 

In that case P3d V5.3 was 20+ years old when it was introduced with show stopping bugs.  Development on that code base started before LM even got their hands on it but when 5.3 introduced bugs no one started talking about when they "started" working on it... I don't like when we use different benchmarks for comparison personally.  If that's the case breaking things on P3D after 10+ years with the code on 20 year old code should one of the most egregious sins we have ever seen in flightsim..  They had 10+ years to get it right.

I don't look at MSOffice and talk about when they started developing it, no one does, release date is the only date people care about.  I don't know why MSFS is treated differently than every other SW release that revolves around a release date not a development start date... 

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19 minutes ago, psolk said:

What fact?

That A2A has not released an add-on for MSFS. PMDG has not released their 737. These are the facts and the are undisputed. 😀

You want some more?

I have to buy a Seasons add-on for a sim that is mainly eye candy.

The live weather feature is still broken.

The AI traffic is still broke,

ATC is still broken.

After every update, something brakes or can brake.

I can go on and on.

You have too much in your hands.

Read your signature.

24 minutes ago, DJJose said:

That A2A has not released an add-on for MSFS. PMDG has not released their 737. These are the facts and the are undisputed. 😀

You want some more?

I have to buy a Seasons add-on for a sim that is mainly eye candy.

The live weather feature is still broken.

The AI traffic is still broke,

ATC is still broken.

After every update, something brakes or can brake.

I can go on and on.

You have too much in your hands.

Read your signature.

Fact is PMDG had their first release within a year of a brand new sim release and we already have a PMDG add-on just not the 737.. 

Fact:  I had to buy thousands of dollars in add-ons in prior sims to get them comparable to this default sim.  Other sims still don't have correct seasonal transitions, snow cover etc etc etc 

Yep, Live weather is broken, however we have had to rely on 3pd's for good weather as long as I've been simming.   The downside here is the lack of SDK support for Damian and team!  

What AI do you have by default with other sims?  How is that World Airlines looking?

Again, what sim provided us with realistic working ATC out of the box?

P3d 5.3 still broke things 10 years after release

I can go on and on pointing out how it is all about  perspective and holding MSFS to the same standards other "default" sims have been held to.  I'm not saying things aren't broken I'm just saying perspective is everything....  Shall we start a list of everything that's been delivered in the past 18 months instead of what's lacking?  

 

The one thing you got right is I have too much on my plate!!!  Heading out in 2 hours for pre-admission testing for a 3 level cervical fusion that will be immediately followed by a procedure to remove part of my esophagus as soon as I am healthy enough to go BACK under the knife from the fusion.  So with 2 MAJOR surgeries and months of rehabilitation in my future you did get that right I definitively have too much on my hands which is probably why all those things you listed don't really bother me...  

 

 

Edited January 28, 20224 yr by psolk