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SU8 bad stutters on ground

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Got the same issues as the OP - I was smooth as you like on SU7, now it's a mess on the ground (all airports).

Spend 3 weeks tweaking to get it spot on, only for the next update to send you back to square one haha.

Will retry all of the above and see if it has any effect.

I'm not having the "it's a mod" reasoning, because I am using the same mods as I was prior to SU8.

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let me know if running in dev mode relieves the stutters

i7 12700K , DDR4 64GB RAM @3600MHz, Asus Z690-Plus D4 MB, Gainward 4090 RTX Graphics, 850W Corsair PSU, Kraken AIO watercooler, Nvme 1TB ssd, 1TB ssd, 500GB ssd.

1 hour ago, Bunchy said:

let me know if running in dev mode relieves the stutters

i can tell you its your system, not msfs thats the issue. I had stutters with 5900x+3080 32GB ram. I was running windows 10 (some later version) had the latest drivers and had tons of stutters on ground.  Windows was bugging me to upgrade to windows 11 and I hesitated due to prior experiences that were bad.  I did it anyways and most of my issues went away.  I was in the beta and now the released version and have no issues. Running the best it ever has.  Locked to 30FPS vsynch  LOD 200, rest is ultra and running in 4k.   Your chip TBH is a bit weak. 7700K isnt gonna be able to push the the frames I'm afraid, you really should consider an upgrade on that CPU. 

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7900x3d , 64gb 6200mhz 30CL Ram, RTX 3080

18 hours ago, milesy1188 said:

'm not having the "it's a mod" reasoning, because I am using the same mods as I was prior to SU8.

but a sim update can make a mod/addon that worked fine before not compatible anymore, possibly causing issues.  this is the reason microsoft recommends clearing community folder if someone experiences problems.

MSFS Alpha tester on W10 Pro x64. Hardware: AMD 5900X 12 core CPU. Cooler Master ML360R AIO, Asus X570-E mobo, Asus Strix 3090 24GB gfx card, G.Skill TridentZ 64GB (4x16) DDR4-3600 RAM, Samsung 970 250GB SSD (OS), Samsung 980 Pro 1TB M.2 pcie-4 NVMe SSD (MSFS install). EVGA 850w Gold cert PSU, CUK Continuum full ATX tower.  43" Sceptre 4K display. VR: HP Reverb G2.

I have done 2 flights so far post SU8.. both flights it stutters during touchdown (reminiscent of the old fsx touchdown bug).. 

also, why does the aircraft steer left/right badly on touchdown.. its like the rudders suddenly come to life after landing.. 

Vinod Kumar

i9 10900K 5.3 Ghz, RTX 3090, 32GB RAM, Win 11.

Alpha-Yoke, Bravo-Throttles, TM Joystick, TM-Rudder,  48" 4K TV.

 

With photogrammetry off, since SU8 I am seeing the best performance I have ever had in MSFS -- amazingly smooth. With photogrammetry turned on, there is still severe stuttering.

Alienware Aurora R11, 32 GB ram, Intel i7-10700F, GeForce RTX 2080 Super, Ultra graphics settings

Stuttering here, also.  Was running better than ever just prior to update 8

LouP

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On 3/5/2022 at 2:26 PM, wiler said:

i can tell you its your system, not msfs thats the issue. I had stutters with 5900x+3080 32GB ram. I was running windows 10 (some later version) had the latest drivers and had tons of stutters on ground.  Windows was bugging me to upgrade to windows 11 and I hesitated due to prior experiences that were bad.  I did it anyways and most of my issues went away.  I was in the beta and now the released version and have no issues. Running the best it ever has.  Locked to 30FPS vsynch  LOD 200, rest is ultra and running in 4k.   Your chip TBH is a bit weak. 7700K isnt gonna be able to push the the frames I'm afraid, you really should consider an upgrade on that CPU. 

Thanks Wiler.

I disagree to a certain extent. I am using the exact settings as in SU7 and that was very smooth. Plus, I cannot upgrade to Win 11 with my 7700k.

I partially agree with you that not many people are seeing this, so it is more likely to be a local issue.

All I can say is that SU8 is a clean install, Win 10 was recently re-installed, all drivers up to date. Not much more I can do in that regard.

Are you saying that SU8 now needs much more cpu resource?, I have hyperthreading on and don't see any cpu spiking when the stutters occur, around 36 to 40 % usage.

When I turn on dev mode, the stutters disappear, repeatable every time. What does dev mode do to the sim to free it of the stutters?

If I could find that out, I could hunt the culprit down.

An upgrade to my computer is going to happen in June, (5th Anniversary of my existing computer and time to move on), so I'll live with it for now, if I have too.

Stu

 

i7 12700K , DDR4 64GB RAM @3600MHz, Asus Z690-Plus D4 MB, Gainward 4090 RTX Graphics, 850W Corsair PSU, Kraken AIO watercooler, Nvme 1TB ssd, 1TB ssd, 500GB ssd.

My stutters have now resolved 99%. When I think back to Sim update 6 and 7, I now remember that I had bad frames and stutters for 5-7 days after the updates then too. I do think that there is some truth to the poster that said it was related to server load the first week after the updates are released. Bunchy have you found any improvement in your stutters over the last couple of days now?

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9 hours ago, milesy1188 said:

My stutters have now resolved 99%. When I think back to Sim update 6 and 7, I now remember that I had bad frames and stutters for 5-7 days after the updates then too. I do think that there is some truth to the poster that said it was related to server load the first week after the updates are released. Bunchy have you found any improvement in your stutters over the last couple of days now?

Unfortunately not. 

I've tried everything I can think of, PG on/off, reset everything to defaults, clear community folder.

The only thing that removes the taxiing/takeoff roll stutters is to run it in dev mode, otherwise it is a stutterfest on the ground.

This isn't an FPS issue. It is locked at 30 and that does not drop during the stutters, neither am I seeing CPU or GPU spikes.

Stu

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i7 12700K , DDR4 64GB RAM @3600MHz, Asus Z690-Plus D4 MB, Gainward 4090 RTX Graphics, 850W Corsair PSU, Kraken AIO watercooler, Nvme 1TB ssd, 1TB ssd, 500GB ssd.

On 3/6/2022 at 4:42 PM, Bunchy said:

Thanks Wiler.

I disagree to a certain extent. I am using the exact settings as in SU7 and that was very smooth. Plus, I cannot upgrade to Win 11 with my 7700k.

I partially agree with you that not many people are seeing this, so it is more likely to be a local issue.

All I can say is that SU8 is a clean install, Win 10 was recently re-installed, all drivers up to date. Not much more I can do in that regard.

Are you saying that SU8 now needs much more cpu resource?, I have hyperthreading on and don't see any cpu spiking when the stutters occur, around 36 to 40 % usage.

When I turn on dev mode, the stutters disappear, repeatable every time. What does dev mode do to the sim to free it of the stutters?

If I could find that out, I could hunt the culprit down.

An upgrade to my computer is going to happen in June, (5th Anniversary of my existing computer and time to move on), so I'll live with it for now, if I have too.

Stu

 

Wasnt trying to be difficult, Im convicned that my isses were 100% solved w the win11 upgrade, which means you need a TPM enabled cpu.  Why not just upgrade the CPU now? Prices are decent on both platforms and w all the stuff going on globally you dont wanna get caught up in a chip shortage and inflation is yet to sink in. 

7900x3d , 64gb 6200mhz 30CL Ram, RTX 3080

I just read on the official forum that first enable and then disable developer mode will help, but I can not confirm it as I do not have the problem myself.

System: I ASRock X670E | AMD 7800X3D | 64Gb DDR5 6000 | RTX 4090 | 2TB NVMe | Seasonic Vertex 1000W I LG Ultra Gear 34 UW I

I think there are two things post SU8. First there is some kind of a bug (workaround is the mentioned dev mode on/off procedure). The second is the additional live/ai traffic implemented (with departing traffic now available) which causes the CPU to have more load, especially on bigger airports.


 

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7 hours ago, wiler said:

Wasnt trying to be difficult, Im convicned that my isses were 100% solved w the win11 upgrade, which means you need a TPM enabled cpu.  Why not just upgrade the CPU now? Prices are decent on both platforms and w all the stuff going on globally you dont wanna get caught up in a chip shortage and inflation is yet to sink in. 

No, I never took it that way. I could see you were throwing in your experience. 

I have just re-installed windows 10 on a new ssd, so once I've re-installed everything I'll feed back.

I can't upgrade until the summer, just how it is, I'm afraid.

i7 12700K , DDR4 64GB RAM @3600MHz, Asus Z690-Plus D4 MB, Gainward 4090 RTX Graphics, 850W Corsair PSU, Kraken AIO watercooler, Nvme 1TB ssd, 1TB ssd, 500GB ssd.

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