3 hours ago, honanhal said:

Indeed. I'd actually say this pricing structure actively discourages customers from buying more than one variant, as the marginal value you get actually decreases with each additional purchase you make. I'm not a marketing expert, but generally sellers try to structure it so it's the other way around!

Assuming (and I'm being generous to PMDG here) that about 80% of the code, art, and sounds are shared between the models, anyone who buys more than one variant is putting about 80% of the price of each of their subsequent purchases toward paying PMDG for the same thing, all over again

Then again, "convince customers to pay you multiple times for the same thing" is as good a description as any for PMDG's overall business model in the last 5-10 years. 🙂

James

+ 1

9 minutes ago, PilotPete99 said:

Anyone who honestly thinks this is “fair” is really missing the big picture here.

Cheers, Pete

Tomorrow I’m going to pay £56 for a top quality representation of a Boeing 737-700 that I can fly in MSFS2020.

I expect I’ll be one of thousands doing the same.

For me, that’s the big picture....

2 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Tomorrow I’m going to pay £56 for a top quality representation of a Boeing 737-700 that I can fly in MSFS2020.

I expect I’ll be one of thousands doing the same.

For me, that’s the big picture....

For you it is, but absolutely not for anyone who wants more than one variant. I don’t understand why some folks are trying force their preferences onto others to support that the price is fair. Also, you missed the entire premise of my post. 

Cheers, Pete

4 minutes ago, PilotPete99 said:

I don’t understand why some folks are trying force their preferences onto others to support that the price is fair. Also, you missed the entire premise of my post. 

Cheers, Pete

You’re going to have to trust me here but I have absolutely no intention and as far as I’m aware no possible way of “trying to force their preferences onto others”.

 I fully understand the premise of your post and I’m trying to tell you in a polite and non personal way that I don’t give two hoots that you won’t be getting a discount for multiple purchases or your purchase history with PMDG....and neither will the thousands of others who will buy it tomorrow.

2 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

You’re going to have to trust me here but I have absolutely no intention and as far as I’m aware no possible way of “trying to force their preferences onto others”.

 I fully understand the premise of your post and I’m trying to tell you in a polite and non personal way that I don’t give two hoots that you won’t be getting a discount for multiple purchases or your purchase history with PMDG....and neither will the thousands of others who will buy it tomorrow.

Okay, I think I understand now. You only give “two hoots” if something negatively effects you, and you made sure to let us all know that. As long as you are happy, that’s all that matters. Excellent post.

Cheers, Pete

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

You’re going to have to trust me here but I have absolutely no intention and as far as I’m aware no possible way of “trying to force their preferences onto others”.

 I fully understand the premise of your post and I’m trying to tell you in a polite and non personal way that I don’t give two hoots that you won’t be getting a discount for multiple purchases or your purchase history with PMDG....and neither will the thousands of others who will buy it tomorrow.

And no one gives two hoots that you’re going to spend your money on one variant and that you see “the big picture.” 
 

goes both ways bud….

1 hour ago, PilotPete99 said:

This is a perfect example of what I think the problem is here. I have literally bought every plane that PMDG has produced, going back to the FSX days. However, I failed to buy the NGXu during the promo period. Therefore, no credit for me to offset the MSFS 737. Conversely, one who never bought a PMDG plane in their lifetime, but did get “lucky” enough to buy the NGXu during the promo period, gets a $100 credit against the MSFS 737. Is this really “more than fair?” To me it seems more like a childish game. Quite frankly, it word not allowed me off. I have been attacked in the past on these forums for daring to suggest that longtime PMDG supporters should get some sort of loyalty discount , but this is unfortunately just not the case. There really is no other way to slice it. Anyone who honestly thinks this is “fair” is really missing the big picture here.

Cheers, Pete

I purchased most pmdg aircraft in the past also, like you I didn’t partake in the ngxu promo period however I really don’t feel bitten by it, and not really sure why one should. I mean the promo period wasn’t a secret and was advertised amongst many flightsim boards in which I made a conscious decision not to partake 🤷‍♂️. I’ll pay the 70 dollars, go work a couple hours and make that money back up while getting hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of it. Pretty excited about it!!

PS please don’t take this as a personal attack, just a different view on it that’s all

Edited May 8, 20224 yr by flyinpilot212121

6 minutes ago, ahsmatt7 said:

goes both ways bud….

Agree completely!  I think we’re all seeing the big picture now👍

2 hours ago, PilotPete99 said:

This is a perfect example of what I think the problem is here. I have literally bought every plane that PMDG has produced, going back to the FSX days. However, I failed to buy the NGXu during the promo period. Therefore, no credit for me to offset the MSFS 737. Conversely, one who never bought a PMDG plane in their lifetime, but did get “lucky” enough to buy the NGXu during the promo period, gets a $100 credit against the MSFS 737. Is this really “more than fair?” To me it seems more like a childish game. Quite frankly, it word not allowed me off. I have been attacked in the past on these forums for daring to suggest that longtime PMDG supporters should get some sort of loyalty discount , but this is unfortunately just not the case. There really is no other way to slice it. Anyone who honestly thinks this is “fair” is really missing the big picture here.

Cheers, Pete

To be fair, I believe the bigger picture is that this product and pricing scheme is far better for the vast majority of customers than it ever was before, since most will only buy one variant, maybe two. I hear you when you say it's not for someone buying all variants, but, realistically, that has to be a tiny fraction of people that probably have some special use for it. Hence, I believe the product and pricing scheme is largely reflecting the actual customer behavior - the bigger picture.

What people also forget when they say you paid less for two aircraft before than now is that before, one of the variants included with each popular one was a drastically less popular one. Which means that the additional cost to buy two variants now is basically offset by the fact that you can now directly buy the two popular ones without having to spend money on something you don't want. There are also a lot of people that will get an entire high fidelity aircraft addon for free (!) plus an additional discount. That is a lot of revenue lost. I think you said this wasn't a high number of people, but I personally am sure this is a substantial amount.

In the end, I'll take this scheme over the old one any day, and I'm saying this as someone who is niche enough to go for three variants, because the bigger picture is that this is far better than before, even it doesn't please each and everyone.

5 hours ago, MDFlier said:

 

These aircraft were all built in the 2010's. I don't know what people want pmdg to add beyond what was on the aircraft Boeing sold to the airlines.

It could be a very long list regarding the PMDG "products" improvements, if you read the discussion all around the internet forums you'll find very interesting arguments about not solved bugs and possible improvements. In my opinion Asobo and FBW are doing well: long term updates and improvements, but it seems that PMDG and other commercial brands have difficulties to take this way.

Edited May 8, 20224 yr by Claudius_

For the first time in my 20 years of simming I will be purchasing a PMDG 737.  Actually I won't.  I won a $200 credit card in a contest at work so I will be able to snap up the 737-700 and the 737-600 (as that is my favorite of the 737's).  So looking forward to see what all the hoopala is all about.  😁

2 hours ago, FlyerNYC said:

Am I the only one who has extreme hunger for a modern, still operating airliner to the point that I don’t want to wait for the 800 even though I should? 

No lol! I really want this thing but for the first time in my life, im going to show some self control lol gonna be tough though.

I think after 13 pages of arguing the same points over and over, we’ve discovered that some people like the pricing and some people don’t, some see it as a good value and some don’t.