5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Could I really give up so much for better scenery? In short, no.

And this is how things 2022 looks like 🙂

6 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

And this is how things 2022 looks like 🙂
 

I prefer mine. The VC is very dark and what’s with the large green area? HUD? 😉

13 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I prefer mine. The VC is very dark and what’s with the large green area? HUD? 😉

The VC is darker because the sun is right in front of your eyes. If you look a bit down, then your eyes would focus on the flight-deck and everything would be brighter. And no that is not a HUD, but rather a sunshade.

Anyway, saying that P3D is better for your use-case due to historical weather support is perfectly fine, but stating that it has better graphics or lightning is a different story. That screenshot  discrepancy is astonishing, bigger even than a direct comparison between FS2004 and Prepar3D.

I've also never seen a 737 weather radar return with multiple red balls like that...I hope that PMDG's implementation on MSFS post SU10 will be better. The built-in weather radar on default aircraft for sure is.

It should look something like this, I believe (from XP11):

Edited August 28, 20223 yr by GCBraun

I can't complain about the way my P3D looks in 2022...  

9 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

The VC is darker because the sun is right in front of your eyes. If you look a bit down, then your eyes would focus on the flight-deck and everything would be brighter. And no that is not a HUD, but rather a sunshade.

I see a huge number of screenshots looking into the sun. Done for dramatic effect I suppose. From the time I’ve used MSFS you have to pan down for the brightness of the VC to increase.

 

12 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

Anyway, saying that P3D is better for your use-case due to historical weather support is perfectly fine, but stating that it has better graphics or lightning is a different story.

Where did I say that? I didn’t.

13 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

I've also never seen a 737 weather radar return with multiple red balls like that...I hope that PMDG's implementation on MSFS post SU10 will be better. The built-in weather radar on default aircraft for sure is.

If MSFS had historical weather I’d invite you to load weather for 12:00 local Sat 27/8/22 at New Orleans. There were multiple cells over and to the west of the airport. Windshear too. But clearly you can’t unless XP has the feature. Unless you compare like with like it’s not realistic.

15 minutes ago, evaamo said:

I can't complain about the way my P3D looks in 2022...  

I assume you are using EA? That was the only way I could even use P3D. It does not look bad, but the previous photo with 2D clouds and bland lightning looks just like I remember FS2002.

While the environment in your shot looks quie good, that FSLabs flight-deck is another story. Great simulation, but I just cannot use it anymore after purchasing the Fenix (almost as good and so much prettier).

Edited August 28, 20223 yr by GCBraun

3 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

If MSFS had historical weather I’d invite you to load weather for 12:00 local Sat 27/8/22 at New Orleans. There were multiple cells over and to the west of the airport. Windshear too. But clearly you can’t unless XP has the feature. Unless you compare like with like it’s not realistic.

I am not talking about the weather, but how it is represented on the screen. Those multiple perfectly separated CBs are not something I have ever seen in real WX radar videos or photos. Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't think that rain exists in such grid patterns.

Since we've devolved into a full MSFS vs. P3D debate at this point and that's rather unproductive, I think it's worth circling back to the original point here.

If you're happy with P3D, that's awesome, learning a new sim is certainly not easy and I still have P3D installed for Cross the Pond coming up. But I think it's worth keeping expectations in line with reality for the scope of updates that are likely coming in the future. Will there be meaningful performance and usability improvements? I think definitely. Weather depiction improvements? Possibly. Any large scale worldwide scenery improvements? Much less likely. 

One of the nice things about MSFS is that it's pretty easy to have both P3D and MSFS installed on your computer, and the barrier to entry for MSFS is quite low. Especially if you bought the NGXu for P3D and have your $100 credit to get the MSFS version. And I know that when longhaul time comes I can still load up P3D and be ready for Cross the Pond

Just now, GCBraun said:

I am not talking about the weather, but how it is represented on the screen. Those multiple perfectly separated CBs are not something I have ever seen in real WX radar videos or photos. Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't think that rain exists in such grid patterns.

That’s beyond my control. Hi-Fi has always been my preferred Wx provider. What’s yours in the XP radar? I agree it doesn’t look natural but I can overlook such things.

42 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

And this is how things 2022 looks like 🙂

It also looks like this in 2022 🤣

 

5 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

I assume you are using EA? That was the only way I could even use P3D.

Yes I am, with 2D clouds provided by AS+ASCA. It's the best combination, in my opinion.

With regards to the FSLabs deck:  I don't find it that bad... considering the better systems. The Fenix will get there systems-wise as well, and with SU10 I am hopeful I'll get better performance from it. It will be fun seeing what FSL brings to the table with their MSFS products. 

The MSFS screenshot with the green sunshade looks better than the P3D screenshot with the red cotton wool balls I may still be using P3Dv4, but I can see from looking at multiple screenshots that the graphics and lighting in MSFS look more realistic. Those are two aspects (plus some astonishingly good looking airports with detailed terminal interiors) that make it so much harder to resist temptation

EDIT: Thank you, Nocturnal for allowing me to restore my self control

Edited August 28, 20223 yr by Christopher Low

Just now, evaamo said:

Yes I am, with 2D clouds provided by AS+ASCA. It's the best combination, in my opinion.

With regards to the FSLabs deck:  I don't find it that bad... considering the better systems. The Fenix will get there systems-wise as well, and with SU10 I am hopeful I'll get better performance from it. It will be fun seeing what FSL brings to the table with their MSFS products. 

I am so, so excited for the FSL A330 is all I can say.

I think, as things with the current sims stand, "good" or "not good" can be in the eye of the beholder. The current sims are all pretty good. Pretty is not always realistic, and vice versa. Not everyone likes those "dramatic" shots that MSFS users often seem to prefer. That shot of the Fenix on final...if it weren't for the typically exaggerated MSFS clouds, I'd be unsure if it was from P3D.

Concerning the weather radar: I agree the grid-like arrangement doesn't look realistic. But I think the representation wasn't always like this, it used to look much more like on that screenshot from XP.

3 minutes ago, Nocturnal said:

It also looks like this in 2022 🤣

 

Funny, bad implemented photogrammetry is more detrimental to my immersion than anything else... I take a well-placed autogen + a photoreal base scenery over bad photogrammetry any day. A good example is the free SimHeaven project for X-Plane.