i dont know i was getting this "violent " veer off when i first started using the Fenix then somehow i fixed it , now its back with a vengeance since SU10 and fenix update , just to add i used to have the TCA side stick with twist ( ive have pedals) for the nose wheel steering but coudnt cope with the unreality , so bought another joystick just for nose wheel steering 

Well, all I'm going to say after all of these tutorials is I'm anyways glad they have acknowledged the flaps 2 and 3 drag issue   and are issuing a hotfix 😀

Edited September 24, 20223 yr by Kopteeni

A good indicator for how good the drag model with flaps is is that the A320 is designed to descend at idle thrust at 170 knots with flaps 3. I haven't tried this but I'm guessing this wouldn't happen in the Fenix right now due to the flaps drag issue?

Procedure for an A320 operator is setting 170 knots one dot below G/S while selecting flaps 3 (observing a 10 knot buffer to flap overspeed) which helps with energy management before G/S capture. The aircraft will then descent at idle thrust. Gear down by 1500 RA after going back to MAN SPEED, arming the spoilers and then flaps full while autothrust is off and thrust needs to be selected manually to hold approach speed.

Edited September 24, 20223 yr by threegreen

12 minutes ago, threegreen said:

 

Procedure for an A320 operator is setting 170 knots one dot below G/S while selecting flaps 3 (observing a 10 knot buffer to flap overspeed) which helps with energy management before G/S capture. The aircraft will then descent at idle thrust. Gear down by 1500 RA after going back to MAN SPEED, arming the spoilers and then flaps full while autothrust is off and thrust needs to be selected manually to hold approach speed.

Woah, that's a handful. Is this coming from a former Boeing driver turned Airbus pilot's handbook so they can get in as many button presses as they were used to?

Edited September 24, 20223 yr by Kopteeni

53 minutes ago, Kopteeni said:

Woah, that's a handful. Is this coming from a former Boeing driver turned Airbus pilot's handbook so they can get in as many button presses as they were used to?

This a big airline's SOP. It's not really that much to handle or different from stock Airbus SOPs. The differences are flying the idle regime at a manually set speed until manually adjusting thrust to hold approach speed, that's all. It's one button press, a dial in and manually pushing thrust levers to around 1.057 EPR.

54 minutes ago, threegreen said:

This a big airline's SOP. It's not really that much to handle or different from stock Airbus SOPs. The differences are flying the idle regime at a manually set speed until manually adjusting thrust to hold approach speed, that's all. It's one button press, a dial in and manually pushing thrust levers to around 1.057 EPR.

That's interesting. They're basically saying that the Airbus philosophy and managed speed mode is rubbish and we can do it more ecomically and safer our own way.

 

57 minutes ago, threegreen said:

This a big airline's SOP. It's not really that much to handle or different from stock Airbus SOPs. The differences are flying the idle regime at a manually set speed until manually adjusting thrust to hold approach speed, that's all. It's one button press, a dial in and manually pushing thrust levers to around 1.057 EPR.

And I was told by a Delta Check pilot, that Autothrust was left on in approach. 

3 minutes ago, Kopteeni said:

That's interesting. They're basically saying that the Airbus philosophy and managed speed mode is rubbish and we can do it more ecomically and safer our own way.

I find that really hard to believe. 

7 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

 

And I was told by a Delta Check pilot, that Autothrust was left on in approach. 

one of those airline preferences things Bob based on individual SOP's

11 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

 

And I was told by a Delta Check pilot, that Autothrust was left on in approach. 

There are airlines where it is not allowed to use autothrust when autopilot is off.

 

 

9 hours ago, tup61 said:

That's definitely number one on my wish list. Unfortuntaly it isn't even on the Fenix to do list right now (afaik) which is a big shame. I think that 5 out of 10 times this keeps me from flying the Fenix due to lack of time. 

I have also gone back to using Toliss A321 on XP11 and XP12 now. It is just too time consuming starting every flight from scratch and limiting in the fact that you can't try a different approaches at an airport without having to fly there again each time. A shame as the Fenix is very impressive.

25 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I find that really hard to believe. 

Thanks for your comprehensive contribution to the conversation.

1 minute ago, Kopteeni said:

Thanks for your comprehensive contribution to the conversation.

I was agreeing with your statement, what the heck is wrong with you?

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I was agreeing with your statement, what the heck is wrong with you?

 

 

 

Excuse me for thinking that you quoting my post and saying that it's hard to believe would lead me to thinking you were finding it hard to believe my post.

Back to the topic, please. I'm genuinely curious since the procedure seems wild to me and completely against how the Airbus was designed. I'm just a dumb sim pilot but always curious to hear what they are doing IRL.