3 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

In Australia words like artisan and bespoke are frowned upon becasue they are seen as pretentious. 

Australians like to pride themselves on being average ordinary down to earth folk, particularly if they are talented, well educated, well off financially and basically anything but ordinary.

Awesome. 👏

Edited December 25, 20223 yr by Reader

1 hour ago, steve310002 said:

The word bespoke is so overused, I cringe whenever I hear it.

The word awesome is so overused, I cringe whenever I use it.

Edited December 25, 20223 yr by Reader

1 hour ago, Dominique_K said:

This bespoke thread of artisans of the English language, albeit non curated, is awesome, nay iconic, for a non native speaker.

Cool!

(my own personal dislike)

My bicycle wheels have bespokes in them!

13 hours ago, Iadbound said:

Custom made texture for some part of the scenery. Bespoke is an over used term, unless you’re at Henry Poole on Saville Row, in which case it’s bespoke. But after that . . . 

In Die Hard the terrorist leader Hans Gruber complimented the Japanese boss Takagi on his John Phillips suit hand made in Saville Row. Yassa Arafat rumoured to have one. That line has always stuck in my memory. Sorry for going off at a tangent. 😉

Off topic but fun. Churchill famously had Poole make his suits and then not pay for extended periods. Edward Sexton made suits for most of the British rockstars, and many of the houses still have active livery business for the Crown and military. 

28 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

My bicycle wheels have bespokes in them!

Careful not to bedabble them with mud or you might bedaggling your trousers and end up beblurred if not looking bedaffed .

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

My bicycle wheels have bespokes in them!

Whilst better than ceespokes and despokes, the best bicycles have ayespokes.

Anyone tired of the over use of "literally"?

Not to mention the use of "like" as a pause filler.

Literally... like... ugg.

...jim

 

Designer coffee is another one. You get a cup of coffee, stick some flavouring in it, and suddenly you're Barnes Wallis.

11 minutes ago, JimBrown said:

 

Not to mention the use of "like" as a pause filler.

Literally... like... ugg.

...jim

 

 Like, totally ? Fer sure ?

 

 

PS a reference on US culture of a  French boomer

Edited December 25, 20223 yr by Dominique_K

Nah, bespoke is far too eloquent and quaint. They should just change it to “super awesome”, something that everyone will understand, and one of the most used words by Jörg and Seb.

When using the term bespoke to describe the textures on a new airport model for a flight sim, they are indeed being somewhat pretentious.

As the structure of the word bespoke suggests, it is a derivative of the verb 'bespeak', meaning 'to speak for', and this is in the sense of making an arrangement or an order for something by speaking with the craftsman to specify what you want (traditionally this would most likely be a custom-tailored item of clothing such as a suit, hat, pair of boots etc), thus making that item which you spoke to the maker about in terms of your requirements, a 'bespoke' item, as opposed to being 'off the shelf'.

Since nobody specially ordered the textures used for the production of the 3D models used in Fiji airport from Inibuilds, those textures quite literally cannot be bespoke in nature and it is therefore an word not allowed pretentious use of the term to claim they are bespoke. 

Oddly enough, I used to work for a company years ago where we actually did use the term bespoke in its correct form when producing stuff. In this case it was artwork. We used to have two types of jobs we would produce print artwork for, these being 'repeats' and 'bespokes': A bespoke job was always a new custom ordered job where we made one-off completely new artwork for that client, whereas a repeat was where we would pull old previously-used artwork out of our file system so we could print some more copies of it for the same client. Ironically, this meant that what was originally a bepoke job which we'd filed the artwork for after printing that job, could then be re-ordered whereupon it would no longer be a bespoke job, but a repeat, a bit like a tailor using an existing pattern to make a second suit from an original bespoke pattern.

So unless one was absolutely, genuinely producing a custom one-off order specially for someone, a product is not bespoke and it would be entirely incorrect to use the term in other circumstances. This is sort of similar to the equally ridiculous use of the word 'designer' these days as a marketing term, where gullible people are impressed by hearing: it's a 'designer' jacket' or, it's a 'designer' handbag or whatever. It does make me wonder if these people actually suppose that less pretentiously marketed jackets and handbags are somehow able to pop into existence without needing a designer as part of the process of producing these items.

 

 

52 minutes ago, Chock said:

So unless one was absolutely, genuinely producing a custom one-off order specially for someone, a product is not bespoke and it would be entirely incorrect to use the term in other circumstances.

You are quite correct, but language will evolve, even if we don't like it to and strict definitions have become a thing of the past.
This is not helped by the lack of correctly taught English grammar and comprehension. 

I note, though, that the original purpose of the word was to create an aura of exclusivity, genuine in that case, around the making of gentlemen's attire.
The fact that the same word is apparently now used to attempt to create an aura of exclusivity around something that probably does not deserve it as much should not be surprising.

So...I note your use of "so" in the correct way, but its incorrect use is another rather irritating habit that has quietly crept into day-to-day use.
So...much as "like" is, it appears to be something that comes out of a speaker's mouth while their brain is working out what to say next.

Another word that typifies something that I find irritating is the noun, "transportation".
It is an unnecessary lengthening of the perfectly good word "transport" which can be used in every case where the verbose "transportation" appears.
 

Edited December 25, 20223 yr by Reader

slow news day on AVSIM it seems....