25 minutes ago, Mike44 said:

Is that the download link?

https://flybywiresim.com/a32nx/#download

only to make sure I'm not downloading any thrash. Worth a download?

Thanks

 

It's definitely not trash, but it isn't the A380, which to my understanding is still far from release. That link is for downloading the FBW A320. 

Edited March 28, 20233 yr by pstrub

10 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

If the FBW team are targeting "high fidelity" for their release of the A380, it could take them another 2 or 3 years until they release it.  Imagine waiting 3 more years for the FBW A380 🤣

Hopefully their approach would be more like with the A320 with ongoing enhancements and the goal of high fidelity in the future. I'd think their initial release would have acceptable/medium systems fidelity probably?, and hopefully both stable and experimental branches for ongoing dev with the latter providing use-at-your-own-risk early incarnations of functionality being worked on. I can dream, but hopefully an initial public release some time this year? 
 

Edited March 28, 20233 yr by lwt1971

I've cancelled installation after reading something about remote access... For me the installer is bloatware. A simple zip file would be superior. I probably fire it up again when the A380 is available. Until then I have the installer messing on my pc even as not installing anything.- 

2 hours ago, Mike44 said:

I've cancelled installation after reading something about remote access... For me the installer is bloatware. A simple zip file would be superior. I probably fire it up again when the A380 is available. Until then I have the installer messing on my pc even as not installing anything.- 

It's better to not read everything you see without compounding evidence to prove it. You're free to read the code itself, but the installer doesn't have any kind of support to remotely access machine. It does make API calls to CloudFlare to download the items as-well as log exception to our logging platform so we can better support you when you have issues. I'm not sure how else it would be bloatware.

The purpose of the installer is for your benefit, A32NX is around 4GBs meaning anytime you wanted an update you'd have to download that 4GB zip everytime. The installer properly fragments the addon so it knows which items that have been selectively updated, so whenever there's been an update to say, systems code, it's a 20MB download as opposed to 4GB. This reduces CDN costs for us as well.

There's also that the installer gives you seamless access to FSLTL, Synaptic (soon) and Salty freeware products. It's not just exclusive to FBW

2 hours ago, Mike44 said:

I've cancelled installation after reading something about remote access... For me the installer is bloatware. A simple zip file would be superior. I probably fire it up again when the A380 is available. Until then I have the installer messing on my pc even as not installing anything.- 

You need to read up on it more.  That may be a bit of an overreaction in my view.

5 hours ago, Mike44 said:

I've cancelled installation after reading something about remote access... For me the installer is bloatware. A simple zip file would be superior. I probably fire it up again when the A380 is available. Until then I have the installer messing on my pc even as not installing anything.- 

Remote access is optional it’s if you want to use the MCDU remotely 

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by Tuskin38

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

You need to read up on it more.  That may be a bit of an overreaction in my view.

It may and it may not be .. Some really do not like having software that installs software and would just prefer the program self install. Depending on how strict his preferences are is up to him. 

An example of this is Using steam to install MSFS. I declined that option because pretty much the MS store is a part of the OS so why should i install Steam for the sole purpose to install MSFS ? On the other hand i have no issue using FBW's installer as its a platform unto itself to install more than just the A320NX from one spot

Just a matter of preference. Up to him to make an informed decision.

4 minutes ago, Maxis said:

why should i install Steam for the sole purpose to install MSFS ?

Steam has more than just MSFS on it. I've also had a lot less issues with updates, buying addons and opting in and out of beta tests on steam.

10 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Steam has more than just MSFS on it. I've also had a lot less issues with updates, buying addons and opting in and out of beta tests on steam.

I'm aware of what it has .. The point being that i will never use steam for anything else. The purpose of my Rig is for FS only. Any other game i want to install will go to the other various consoles i own.

I also never have had issues with updates from the MS Store ( you can check my comments backwards for verification if you would like). I'm pretty meticulous with reading and following instructions.

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by Maxis

38 minutes ago, Maxis said:

It may and it may not be ..

Just a matter of preference. Up to him to make an informed decision.

Sure, of course it is Maxis, that is why I said 'in my view'.  I am not instructing anyone or belittling his point of view.  Maybe I should have explained my point better...

I just struggle to understand the logic of that viewpoint, as lots of things are 'software to install software' these days, including Windows itself, Orbx Central, IniManager, PMDG Ops Center, Aerosoft One, Contrail, and even MSFS itself (the Marketplace), so it would be quite limiting to shut all of these (and others) out of the equation.

So maybe it is just a trust issue with FBW then?  But as lucky explained above, it can perform incremental updates, which I wish a lot of other developers would do, and nobody has had any trouble with anything related to FBW over the last two years have they?  Not a sniff of security issues of any kind.  That is why I said 'You need to read up on it more' so he could make an informed decision as you say, and Lucky has provided more info and commentary now. 

It doesn't really bother me though - I don't have a horse in this race, I just made an observation.   

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by bobcat999

2 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Sure, of course it is Maxis, that is why I said 'in my view'.  I am not instructing anyone or belittling his point of view.  Maybe I should have explained my point better...

I just struggle to understand the logic of his viewpoint, as lots of things are 'software to install software' these days, including Windows itself, Orbx Central, IniManager, PMDG Ops Center, Aerosoft One, Contrail, and even MSFS itself (the Marketplace), so it would be quite limiting to shut all of these (and others) out of the equation.

So maybe it is just a trust issue with FBW then?  But as lucky explained above, it can perform incremental updates, which I wish a lot of other developers would do, and nobody has had any trouble with anything related to FBW over the last two years have they?  Not a sniff of security issues of any kind.  That is why I said 'You need to read up on it more' so he could make an informed decision as you say.  It doesn't really bother me though - I don't have a horse in this race, I just made an observation.   

Don't have a horse in the race either.. Just providing insight as to why some .. including myself refrain from installing software that install software sometimes. especially if ( It uses resources in the background or "phones home") 

At the end of the day again .. his system his decision regardless of whether it limits him or not .. and i will not assume that he did or didn't do his research before coming to his own decision. Thats not the reason i responded to your comment. I'm just providing possible insight into an alternative viewpoint.

 

6 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Don't have a horse in the race either.. Just providing insight as to why some .. including myself refrain from installing software that install software sometimes. especially if ( It uses resources in the background or "phones home") 

At the end of the day again .. his system his decision regardless of whether it limits him or not .. and i will not assume that he did or didn't do his research before coming to his own decision. Thats not the reason i responded to your comment. I'm just providing possible insight into an alternative viewpoint.

Sure. I understand the security and "phoning home" stuff.  I just thought it sounded strange, whether he has made an informed decision or not.  The comment such as "For me the installer is bloatware".  90MB for the FBW installer is bloatware?  Some of the aircraft from the marketplace are 3GB alone.  Anyway, I dare say we have both wasted to much virtual flying time discussing it this deeply already.   in the end people do what they want of course. 

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by bobcat999

Agreed @bobcat999 🙂

Now back to topic

While FBW is doing a fantastic job with the Modelling and texturing and they deserve a lot of praise for this. I am mostly interested in how far advanced this bird is with systems and navigation. I would love for this project to have depth in systems and nav but i there are features yet missing from the A320 (no i do not want to re litigate them in this thread) that i feel would translate to this project and they haven't been implemented yet in the A320.

So it looks great .. hopefully the team demonstrates that it will fly great.

Good luck to the FBW team

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by Maxis

1 minute ago, Maxis said:

So it looks great .. hopefully the team demonstrates that it will fly great.

Good luck to the FBW team

For sure.  I am waiting for this more than some payware!

Yes waiting for the A380 definitely more than any payware...

I already have Steam for MSFS, X-Plane etc. so I would have preferred that. Now I have dead programs with the installer, although I haven't installed anything.

Hopefully the remote MCDU can be disabled or not installed at all. 

Looking forward to the A380. 🥰