20 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

If I bet 100$ with all people who say now they will never buy MSFS2024, next year I will become a milliner LOL

Hahaha. I agree. You'd be a millionaire.

7 minutes ago, 109Sqn said:

Aside from making women's hats, you'd only need to win one bet to buy the sim for yourself.😁

Just think about . Right now where I live one flying hour in 172/A28 cost on average $140-$160 in hour, add to it CFI services  $60 to $80+ in hour. I know for the fact in Europe it even more expensive!

Average aviation lover would never get closer then flight sim. Even with all investments in sim it's still like nothing comparing to actual flying or airplane ownership 

The initial FAQ were needed but leave lots of unanswered questions still. 
 

We even see statements like “virtually all” etc used which created doubt regarding purchases, although it does show intention. 
 

Hopefully a longer FAQ is on approach now as there’s enough ‘feedback’ already for ms/asobo to see where people’s concerns generally are. 
 

Great that so many people are into (and passionate about) flightsim now though!

33 minutes ago, Krakin said:

This is nowhere near the level of disruption that was caused by the announcement of 2020. I think devs will not see much of a slowdown if any.

How can you tell that one day after the announcement ? 

The smart thing for them to do would give users the option to "upgrade" their current sim so we don't have to reinstall everything again. Let's hope they're smart about this.

46 minutes ago, Brandon01110 said:

Here are a few of my questions/concerns:

Will people playing 2024 see others in 2020 in multiplayer?

unknown

Will we pay a one time price or will it now be subscription only (correct me if this has been already been answered by microsoft)  2024 is a new stand alone product and we could see a different pay structure.

unknown but probability is high of an one time price

How long will 2020 online data streaming be available for people staying with 2020?

unknown

Why is this a standalone product instead of a DLC?

 because they need to generate new revenues at the level of a standalone

What makes it so different from 2020 other than more planes and missions/career mode?

Wait & See

If this is a "new simulator", I would hope that there wont be a main thread problem and its going to "feel" and perform like a new simulator.

Hope is good

How many people besides me are gonna try flying aircraft asap into a tornado?  H135 helicopter anyone?  I want the inside of the funnel to look like the movie:TWISTER

with a 748 in a n inverted flight ?

 

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36 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

I'm not so sure on that.
Here's a small selection of what I've seen posted on a lot of different social media.

Not sure either. 

I wonder whether the 3PD  have been briefed on the new SDK ? Yes, this is a rhetorical question. 

 

26 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Just a reminder: 

1997 FS95

1999 FS2000

2001 FS2002

2003 FS2004

2006 FSX

Fine, except two critical points:

1. Add-ons weren't really 'a thing' until FS2002, IIRC. Add-on compatibility wasn't a big concern, so each sandboxed flight sim was gleefully taken as an improvement on what went before.
2. On a related point, each of these were sims were relatively well developed at launch. A later upgrade for both FS9 and FSX made the former incredibly stable as a platform and the latter more appropriate for then current gen tech.  

While I personally think 4 years is a very fair amount of time between releases, it did take nearly 2 years to bring MSFS2020 to a respectable level. There are some fundamental issues that still haven’t been addressed and excellent third party aircraft have been around for a year or less.

I think there's enough reason for people to be concerned as there was an expectation (rightly or wrongly) of "10 years of support."  Also, announcing a full year in advance (again) has the ability to trash third party developer sales (again). I hope some further clarity over compatibility is given so that all parties can take a breath and look forward to the new sim.

In all honestly, I am excited for this development and looking forward to next year. From what ASOBO has said it certainly seems like the vast majority of our addons will continue to work in the new version of the sim, and that makes sense from both a technical and a business standpoint. I do plan to hold off on purchases until there is more clarity on what will work and what the various developers position on upgrade fees will be. But I am not too concerned about the transition, as many have said it has always been this way with a new version being released every two to three years. 

19 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

How can you tell that one day after the announcement ? 

Because I remember how things were back in 2019. This time, MS clarified things the same day and devs are already announcing that they will provide free upgrades if they are necessary.

1 minute ago, Cognita said:

In all honestly, I am excited for this development and looking forward to next year. From what ASOBO has said it certainly seems like the vast majority of our addons will continue to work in the new version of the sim, and that makes sense from both a technical and a business standpoint. I do plan to hold off on purchases until there is more clarity on what will work and what the various developers position on upgrade fees will be. But I am not too concerned about the transition, as many have said it has always been this way with a new version being released every two to three years. 

I agree! FS2024 looks awesome and their intention is to allow as many things we’ve bought in FS2020  to be able to work in the new version as possible. 
 

Sure people love fs2020 and don’t like change but a new version will hopefully be even more capable than the last. 
 

I liked the idea of the 10 year project but did think it might be getting a bit creaky by then. 
 

Isn’t this all part of the same project? I mean Jorge and asobo etc still seem passionate about the sim and want to make it as good (however we define that) as possible. 
 

Just now, Krakin said:

Because I remember how things were back in 2019. This time, MS clarified things the same day and devs are already announcing that they will provide free upgrades if they are necessary.

I haven't seen an announcement from a  major developer about free upgrades.  Who said that ? 

 

3 minutes ago, Krakin said:

Because I remember how things were back in 2019. This time, MS clarified things the same day and devs are already announcing that they will provide free upgrades if they are necessary.

Yup it’s very different. 

10 hours ago, DAD said:

. Not to put more oil in the fire but this leaves room for interpretation for direct purchases outside the marketplace:

Of course, Microsoft cannot guarantee what other developers policies will be WRT other devs policies. They can only say the simulator is backward compatible, which means they can assure you won't have to repurchase them again from the Marketplace.

But things bought externally might either not be available (or require an update fee) for any number of reasons, such as:

- The developer might decide to place an update fee even if the changes (if any) to bring the product to the new sim might be minimal, perhaps just recompiling with the latest SDK and possibly update the installer. If these are in fact all that is required (this would be my guess), it wouldn't be very smart if any developer would charge any kind of fee but again, Microsoft cannot be sure of that and can't control whatever nonsensical sales/update policy developers might decide to follow

- The developer might decide to simply not make any update available and not support the new sim. Again, this sounds unlikely and borderline madness but even here, Microsoft cannot tell you for certain you won't have to repurchase that addon because in that case, you might be forced to purchase some else, like an alternative product, from another developer.

- The developer might have quit the market, or went bankrupt (because users stopped to buy products for MSFS waiting for MSFS 2024, this can happen) or decided to retire, so you might not be able to use a product you bought for MSFS, maybe because it required minor changes, but still changes nonetheless.

Microsoft cannot possibly predict any of these, that's why they can only discuss about Marketplace purchases, which are the only ones that should continue to work, even lacking support from the original developer, and they can also say you won't have to pay anything extra for add-ons sold *there*, since they have no control of some developer selling elsewhere would decide to put an update fee for a new installer...

9 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

  Also, announcing a full year in advance (again) has the ability to trash third party developer sales (again). I hope some further clarity over compatibility is given so that all parties can take a breath and look forward to the new sim.

It sounds a bit irresponsible indeed and as I said in another post I do not understand why they should make this announcement now, a year in advance. What do they gain from it ? I have my ideas but they are pure conjectural speculations.