53 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

How MS sees the future.

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Who care here in a P3D 6.0 announcement thread?

Broadly speaking, my impression from looking through all of the data is:

• Based on statements by LM, probably just about every add-on will work out of the box from a technical perspective unless developers have version locked them. I find this highly credible based on statements by LM, and also their insistence on clinging to ESP when we know for a fact they are also playing with Unreal in the background, BUT
• Some developers version lock their add-ons for two reasons:
  • They don't want their stuff to look bad relative to the competition; and
  • They potentially want to retain an option to charge for the upgrade

All that is to say, there is probably room for optimism that the enhanced lighting and other undisclosed enhancements will make a significant enough difference to the sim to justify 3PD putting in some cycles to actually upgrade content. Developers who have seen the beta either feel the need to rework their aircraft to take advantage of new features, or even that feel it is a big enough upgrade to justify charging. All that is reason to feel good about P3Dv6. If it was just v5 all over again, then of course every developer would just add "v6" to their compatibility spec and be done with it.

I caught in the FSExpo talk that Chris mentioned LM views P3D as a platform moreso than a product. We all know that P3D looks way better with third party add-ons than with just default scenery and aircraft. The P3D trailers have always been tricky, because they only show the default, in the box, content, which is really not putting the product's best foot forward.

At the end of the day it is $60. I've spent a whole lot more for a whole lot less.

No sure if anyone has mentioned this in the 16 pages of messages in the P3D v 6 thread but P3D has always been under a very restrictive advertising policy when it comes to P3D.  From the beginning when LM got permission to use and alter P3D it was not allowed by MS to advertise the product to the masses as a general entertainment product. A number of years ago when I spoke to the lead manager of P3D at LM, she advised me that MS watched them very carefully on how they advertised their product and were told on more than one occasion that they were breaking the agreement by advertising too much to the general public. It had to be sold as a training simulator, period!  Not until LM develops at totally new engine void of the old FSX one will they be allowed to do any differently.

We all will find out on July 3....which is Monday.  I won't be able to test it out it till the evening of the 4th.

 

Edited June 27, 20232 yr by Skywolf

10 minutes ago, Skywolf said:

I won't be able to play with it till the evening of the 4th.

Oh Noooooo !!

I'm flabberghasted !!

Never has my ghast been so flabbered !!

"Play", "PLay", "PLAy", "PLAY"...."PLAY" ????

Sorry, but I have to go and lie down for a while after this.

Could you not, for the love of all that's holy, used a different word like, try, use, test...etc. ? 🤣🤣

"Play", I ask you.......sacrilege !

Just now, Sparkrite said:

Oh Noooooo !!

I'm flabberghasted !!

Never has my ghast been so flabbered !!

"Play", "PLay", "PLAy", "PLAY"...."PLAY" ????

Sorry, but I have to go and lie down for a while after this.

Could you not, for the love of all that's holy, used a different word like, try, use, test...etc. ? 🤣🤣

"Play", I ask you.......sacrilege !

Oh yes, Test it....see above 😅

Just now, Skywolf said:

Oh yes, Test it....see above 😅

Ah you shouldn't have edited it from play....ruins my joke.....😂

On 6/25/2023 at 2:38 PM, Bob Scott said:

but when frame-to-frame changes tend towards smooth, highly predictable progressions

That would certainly be true for most "normal" flights ... not for combat nor acrobatic.

11 hours ago, sdirand said:

Fslabs and now Hifly announce that a lot of work has to be done to update their products to 6.0, I fear the worst.

Even the recent 5.0 native Ifly 737 MAX apparently need a lot of rework including model, texture, effects, gauge displays, PBR & more..

This is not a lot of work, anyone moderately competent in PBR and textures mapping could get these changes done in a week ... models already exist so just a matter maps/normals the base textures would not be changed unless they came from FS9 or FSX and not P3D textures.  Go ask any 3D modeler (most are contracted anyway) ... but they still charge $$$ and that's the real issue ... $2000 of texture adjustment work is still $2000 out of pocket even if that's only 1 weeks work.

As far as HiFi, they might have a little work, but only because they can do so much more with weather SDK.  Look at the video again, there is a lot there if you know what to look for.

4 hours ago, DWadsworth said:

This seemed to indicate that P3D would check for updates.

Yes indeed, and be optional to update or not ... unlike some other platforms 😉

4 hours ago, dave2013 said:

I see no reason why v5 aircraft would not work in v6. 

Weather radar might not but if they rely on HiFi for that data then it'll be a case of wait for HiFi to update for V6.  Again we can see multiple cloud layers and visibility settings in that video and the clouds appear to have different density and not repetitive so something has changed there ... that's important change.

As far as P3D interest, there is still plenty for vendors ... can they make money on P3D, probably, can't they make a lot of money from P3D probably not, depends on how much they charge, smaller market = higher prices.  Although, MSFS 3rd party prices are about the same (or more in some cases) than the P3D equivalents so puzzled at what happened to that "golden" rule 😉 

1 hour ago, HarryZ said:

No sure if anyone has mentioned this in the 16 pages of messages in the P3D v 6 thread but P3D has always been under a very restrictive advertising policy when it comes to P3D.  From the beginning when LM got permission to use and alter P3D it was not allowed by MS to advertise the product to the masses as a general entertainment product. A number of years ago when I spoke to the lead manager of P3D at LM, she advised me that MS watched them very carefully on how they advertised their product and were told on more than one occasion that they were breaking the agreement by advertising too much to the general public. It had to be sold as a training simulator, period!  Not until LM develops at totally new engine void of the old FSX one will they be allowed to do any differently.

Just an FYI, as of V6 this restriction has pretty much been removed.  The old 'Academic' version will be replaced with a 'Personal' version that has all of the educational restrictions removed per Chris at FSExpo Q and A.  Basically you can now buy the $60 version and not feel you are ignoring the guidelines of the EULA anymore.  It is available for personal use.

 

So do we think they’ve removed the awful “watermark” in the top right corner too? 

it says 'personal' now instead of 'academic'.  Not sure it is awful.  I've never really noticed it.

59 minutes ago, jlohrenz said:

it says 'personal' now instead of 'academic'.  Not sure it is awful.  I've never really noticed it.

Where does it say this?  I have been looking for this info on their page and I can't seem to find it

15 hours ago, Skywolf said:

Where does it say this?  I have been looking for this info on their page and I can't seem to find it

Chris stated this during the Q and A at FSExpo.

1 hour ago, jlohrenz said:

Chris stated this during the Q and A at FSExpo.

Does anyone have a recording of the Q&A or is there somewhere to access it?