June 26, 20232 yr Why hasn't avsim posted something about v6 on their front page? They posted about MSFS 2024 and the aircraft update for MSFS 2020 but nothing about P3D. Heck they didn't even post anything about the v5.4 update.
June 26, 20232 yr 17 hours ago, GCBraun said: Yes, I can. But the LM representative confirmed that their focus is not on that use case. Still don't get your point. Their focus doesn't stop you doing what you want. Intel i7 6700K @4.3. 32gb Gskill 3200 RAM. Z170x Gigabyte m/b. 28" LG HD monitor. Win 10 Home. 500g Samsung 960 as Windows home. 1 Gb Mushkin SSD for P3D. GTX 1080 8gb.
June 26, 20232 yr 50 minutes ago, IanHarrison said: Still don't get your point. Their focus doesn't stop you doing what you want. It does not stop me of course, but it is clear that LM is not interested in improving my experience. PC1: AMD Ryzen 9800X3D | Zotac RTX 5090 SOLID | Asus TUF X670E-Plus | G.SKILL 64GB DDR5 PC 6000 CL30 | 4TB NVMe | Noctua NH-D15 | Asus TUF 1000W Gold | be quiet! Pure Base 500DX | Noctua NH-D15S | LG OLED CX 48" + 2x Acer Nitro XV240YP 24" + 2x 15.6" Touch-screen Panels PC2: AMD Ryzen 7500F | Asrock 7900 GRE Challenger OC | Gigabyte B650I AX | Corsair 32GB DDR5 6000 CL36 | 1TB NVMe | CM Hyper 212 | Corsair 750W Gold | Lian Li TU150 ITX | SAMSUNG Odyssey G9 49" Winctrl Ursa Minor Sidestick + Ursa Minor 32 Throttle & PAC - Thrustmaster Boeing TCA Yoke - Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog - Honeycomb Bravo Throttle - MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - TrackIR - Stream Deck XL + Stream Deck Plus - Winctrl MCDU + 2 MFD's - Meta Quest 3 (VR)
June 26, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, Joseph29 said: Why hasn't avsim posted something about v6 on their front page? They posted about MSFS 2024 and the aircraft update for MSFS 2020 but nothing about P3D. Heck they didn't even post anything about the v5.4 update. Good point... maybe in the next few days, who knows? Better late than never. I have an idea as to why this is, but I will leave it there. Visit my YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/Captain Nav Follow me live on Twitch http://www.twitch.tv/captainnav
June 26, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, Joseph29 said: Why hasn't avsim posted something about v6 on their front page? They posted about MSFS 2024 and the aircraft update for MSFS 2020 but nothing about P3D. Heck they didn't even post anything about the v5.4 update. That would be a good idea. Other Fs sites do have announcements on their frontpage. 5950x3d 5.4-5.7 GHz - Asus ROG 870 Crosshair Apex - GSkill Neo 2x 24 Gb 6000 mhz / cas 26 - MSI RTX 5090 Gaming Trio OC - 1x SSD M2 6000 2TB - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 1Tb - Corsair 5400 case - Corsair 360 liquid cooling set - 3x 75’ TCL tv. 13600 6 cores @ 5.1 GHz / 8 cores @ 4.0 GHz (hypterthreading on) - Asus ROG Strix Gaming D - GSkill Trident 4x Gb 3200 MHz cas 15 - Asus TUF RTX 4080 16 Gb - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 2x Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - Corsair D4000 Airflow case - NXT Krajen Z63 AIO liquide cooling - FOV : 200 degrees My flightsim vids : https://www.youtube.com/user/fswidesim/videos?shelf_id=0&sort=dd&view=0
June 26, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, GCBraun said: It does not stop me of course, but it is clear that LM is not interested in improving my experience. OK, got it. Intel i7 6700K @4.3. 32gb Gskill 3200 RAM. Z170x Gigabyte m/b. 28" LG HD monitor. Win 10 Home. 500g Samsung 960 as Windows home. 1 Gb Mushkin SSD for P3D. GTX 1080 8gb.
June 26, 20232 yr 11 hours ago, Joseph29 said: Why hasn't avsim posted something about v6 on their front page? They posted about MSFS 2024 and the aircraft update for MSFS 2020 but nothing about P3D. Heck they didn't even post anything about the v5.4 update. The v6 release is a week away. We'll put up a release announcement then. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
June 26, 20232 yr 19 hours ago, CO2Neutral said: And what does this have to do with "fake frames" in order to pump FPS numbers? Taking on your statement, if anything that would make the prediction even less accurate (prediction on a prediction). DLSS isn't really solving a problem, it's masking a problem. Ray Tracing would be on the right path to solving the performance degradation involved in light transforms ... but GPU manufacturers still are unable to hit performance goals using that accelerated process. I had one more thought on this as I was firing up the espresso machine this morning--P3D's internal gauge system only produces updates every 55ms, or ~18 times per second. In P3D, if you're seeing gauges updating faster than that (and the high-quality add-ons pretty much all do), then anything above P3D's 18 Hz update rate is being generated by the same type of "fake frame" process you're lamenting here--the only difference is that it's being done in the gauge code rather than in the video subsystem. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
June 26, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Bob Scott said: P3D's internal gauge system only produces updates every 55ms, or ~18 times per second. A-ha! I finally understand the cause of the 18 FPS cluster.... *ahem* limitation in certain Airbus aircraft. Every day is a school day. Thanks. AMD Ryzen 5800X3D; MSI RTX 3080 Ti ; 32GB Corsair 3200 MHz; ASUS VG35VQ 35" (3440 x 1440) Fulcrum One yoke; Thrustmaster TCA Captain Pack Airbus edition; MFG Crosswind rudder pedals; miniCockpit FCU; CPFlight MCP 737; Logitech FIP x3; TrackIR MSFS; Fenix A320; A2A PA-24; HPG H145; PMDG 737-600; AIG; RealTraffic; PSXTraffic; FSiPanel; REX AccuSeason Adv; FSDT GSX Pro; FS2Crew RAAS Pro; FS-ATC Chatter
June 26, 20232 yr On 6/25/2023 at 1:08 AM, Patriot3810 said: My opinion P3D and X-plane are simulators, And MSFS is a game. Microsoft is more, Anyone jump in and play including a mouse. P3D And X-plane are more for Hardcore Simmers. I play P3D the most. MSFS just didn't do it for me, But that's just my Opinion. The trailer for MSFS 2024 seems to be heading towards doing more ground Edited June 26, 20232 yr by spilok
June 26, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, spilok said: This is EXACTLY what I, personally, believe. MSFS is a game. Xbox is a game, and the new trailer depicts rescues, and other such activities that speak loudly that the “game is on”! Everyone knows that LM’s P3d is a true SIMULATOR! Funny, because the new P3D V6 trailer showcases wildfire activities, similar to what the "game" is doing. Xbox is not a "game" by the way, but a console based on the x86 architecture. Not sure if you are aware, but PMDG is available in Series X | S and it is possible to use advanced controls with it (Throttle + Yoke). In the end we are all pretending to be somewhere we are not. It all depends on how you are using the tools at your disposal. PC1: AMD Ryzen 9800X3D | Zotac RTX 5090 SOLID | Asus TUF X670E-Plus | G.SKILL 64GB DDR5 PC 6000 CL30 | 4TB NVMe | Noctua NH-D15 | Asus TUF 1000W Gold | be quiet! Pure Base 500DX | Noctua NH-D15S | LG OLED CX 48" + 2x Acer Nitro XV240YP 24" + 2x 15.6" Touch-screen Panels PC2: AMD Ryzen 7500F | Asrock 7900 GRE Challenger OC | Gigabyte B650I AX | Corsair 32GB DDR5 6000 CL36 | 1TB NVMe | CM Hyper 212 | Corsair 750W Gold | Lian Li TU150 ITX | SAMSUNG Odyssey G9 49" Winctrl Ursa Minor Sidestick + Ursa Minor 32 Throttle & PAC - Thrustmaster Boeing TCA Yoke - Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog - Honeycomb Bravo Throttle - MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - TrackIR - Stream Deck XL + Stream Deck Plus - Winctrl MCDU + 2 MFD's - Meta Quest 3 (VR)
June 26, 20232 yr A flight simulator is something that a person plays "you bet your job" on, everything else is a video game. I Earned My Spurs in Vietnam
June 26, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, GCBraun said: It does not stop me of course, but it is clear that LM is not interested in improving my experience. This is not to pick on you because you have a right to your on expectations but I think that there is a very important difference that most just seem to miss when thinking about MS vs LM. First MS should care about your experience because they market direct to the gaming folks. LM markets direct to defense contractors and have been kind enough to allow us to use their simulator lf….if…IF…. it can be adapted for our home use and if it can give us an experience that we are happy with. If Prepar3d is not your cup of tea then they are more than happy to wish you well and I promise you that their balance sheet at the end of the year is not going to reflect the loss of your $59.00. If you like pretty pics and downloading a TB of forced updates every week or two then that is great for some and others just don’t want to go there. The whole argument is not about Whois a gamer or simmer it does not matter. It is about what you want in your hobby and life. Sam Prepar3D V5.3/[email protected]/EVGA 3080 TI/1000W PSU/Windows 10/40" 4K Samsung@3840x2160/ASP3D/ASCA/ORBX/ ChasePlane/General Aviation/Honeycomb Alpha+Bravo/MFG Rudder Pedals/
June 26, 20232 yr Commercial Member 10 hours ago, GCBraun said: It does not stop me of course, but it is clear that LM is not interested in improving my experience. I've no idea where people here come up with such interpretations. LM's focus has always been around training, since they licensed the ESP code from MS before P3Dv1. They're not going to do anything that makes the training experience worse in any changes they do, but that hasn't stopped them from significantly improving the product since v1. Having a product North Star is pretty common, and just because it doesn't align 100% with your use case doesn't mean you're not going to get an improved experience. Or do you feel that P3Dv5 is not better for your experience than v1, and you're still using FSX? Cheers Luke Kolin I make simFDR, the most advanced flight data recorder for FSX, Prepar3D and X-Plane.
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