July 8, 20232 yr 52 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said: PMDG (higher quality, better support, and - most important - very popular aircraft) does not work here. I’m curious, what is JF not providing here that PMDG does? you’ve got a deeply simulated aircraft in all factors. You’ve got good sound, animation, texture work and modelling. The aircraft acts and performs as expected in regular and irregular situations. So.. I’m curious what’s the difference here?
July 8, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Christopher Low said: Yes, but this plane comes with an EFB straight out of the box Touché 😂 Best regards,Luis Hernández Main rig: self built, AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D (with SMT off and CO -50 mV), 2x16 GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Nvidia RTX 5060Ti 16GB, 256 GB M.2 SSD (OS+apps) + 2x1 TB SATA III SSD (sims) + 1 TB 7200 rpm HDD (storage), ID-Cooling SE-224-XTS air cooler, Viewsonic VX2458-MHD 1920x1080@120-144 Hz (G-sync compatible), Windows 11. Running P3D v5.4 (with v4.5 scenery objects as an additional library, just in case), FSX-SE, MSFS2020, MSFS2024 and even FS9! Lossless Scaling for all my sims. What a godsend...Mobile rig: ASUS Zenbook UM425QA (AMD Ryzen 7 5800H APU @3.2 GHz and boost disabled, 1 TB M.2 SSD, 16 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro). Running FS9 there .VKB Gladiator NXT Premium Left + GNX THQ as primary controllers. Xbox Series X|S wireless controller as standby/mobile.
July 8, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, Lucky38i said: I’m curious, what is JF not providing here that PMDG does? you’ve got a deeply simulated aircraft in all factors. You’ve got good sound, animation, texture work and modelling. The aircraft acts and performs as expected in regular and irregular situations. So.. I’m curious what’s the difference here? Well I mentioned popularity of the aircraft (or real world usage, if you will) as a major factor determining the price. As for the systems modelling, others who actually bought it have to answer if it's PMDG-level. For me personally failures is a very good indicator of the systems fidelity, does it have those? For transparency: I'm a community mentor at the BATC discord. However, I do not get paid for it in any way.
July 8, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said: Well I mentioned popularity of the aircraft (or real world usage, if you will) as a major factor determining the price. As for the systems modelling, others who actually bought it have to answer if it's PMDG-level. For me personally failures is a very good indicator of the systems fidelity, does it have those? AFAIK the plane hasn't been released yet, I assume @Lucky38i is a beta tester, since he posted "The aircraft acts and performs as expected in regular and irregular situations". Alvega CPU: AMD 7800X3D | COOLER: Cooler Master MasterLiquid 240L Core ARGB | GPU: RTX 4070 TI Super 16GB OC | Mobo: ASUS TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI |RAM: 32 GB Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5 6000MHz PC5-48000 2x16GB CL36 | SSDs: WD Black SN770 2TB NVMe SSD (WIN11), WD Black SN850X SSD 2 TB M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 NVMe (MSFS), Crucial MX500 2TB (Other stuff) | CASE: Forgeon Arcanite ARGB Mesh Tower ATX White | Power Supply: Forgeon Bolt PSU 850W 80+ Gold Full Modular White
July 8, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said: Well I mentioned popularity of the aircraft (or real world usage, if you will) as a major factor determining the price. No.. not really. Regardless of how popular the aircraft is or its current really world usage it doesn’t take away from the actual implemented complexity of the aircraft as it currently is. These are airplanes and my focus here is how far I can push this thing to replicate it’s real life counterpart. Not what routes I can fly it on or if it’s popular in the current flight age. 5 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said: As for the systems modelling, others who actually bought it have to answer if it's PMDG-level. For me personally failures is a very good indicator of the systems fidelity, does it have those? I can answer for the B146 as I’m a happy owner. The complexity was there and the recent failures addition puts it right there with the other high fidelity devs. Failures will also come for the F28 at a later time. Mind you this doesn’t mean you can’t test the complexity of the aircraft in accordance to the FCOM. For example pneumatics behaviour in varying circumstances or drops in hydraulic pressure because one of the TRUs is off.
July 8, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Alvega said: AFAIK the plane hasn't been released yet, I assume @Lucky38i is a beta tester, since he posted "The aircraft acts and performs as expected in regular and irregular situations". Just to clarify, I’m not. I own the B146 and extensively used in in extenuating circumstances and have read the F28 manual, as it dives very deeply into each system on the aircraft. im more than happy to be proven wrong upon the release of the F28 but based on what I’ve used and what I’ve read I have no other reason to think it wouldn’t live up to the manual.
July 8, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Lucky38i said: and the recent failures addition Oh the 146 does have failures now? That's great. Random failures, too? And is there a FMC by now? The lack of it was deterring me from buying it a year ago (no interest in ancient navigation techniques 😉 ) Edited July 8, 20232 yr by Fiorentoni For transparency: I'm a community mentor at the BATC discord. However, I do not get paid for it in any way.
July 8, 20232 yr I bought the JF BAe 146 during the last Easter sale for about €45. After flying it for a while I came to the conclusion that my hesitation wasn‘t justified and the 146 is well worth the full price of €65. And I'm sure the same is true for the F28. Of course, if you only plan to fly it once and then never again, it is far too expensive. But that would also be the case with a much cheaper add-on. However, if you plan to read the manual and really get to know the plane and its systems, it represents a great value for €65. Greetings Tim My files on Flightsim.to i5 12600K | 32Gb | RTX 4080
July 8, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Lucky38i said: Just to clarify, I’m not. I own the B146 and extensively used in in extenuating circumstances and have read the F28 manual, as it dives very deeply into each system on the aircraft. im more than happy to be proven wrong upon the release of the F28 but based on what I’ve used and what I’ve read I have no other reason to think it wouldn’t live up to the manual. So, you didn't fly the aircraft and say "The aircraft acts and performs as expected in regular and irregular situations" because you read a manual? Ok, then. Alvega CPU: AMD 7800X3D | COOLER: Cooler Master MasterLiquid 240L Core ARGB | GPU: RTX 4070 TI Super 16GB OC | Mobo: ASUS TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI |RAM: 32 GB Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5 6000MHz PC5-48000 2x16GB CL36 | SSDs: WD Black SN770 2TB NVMe SSD (WIN11), WD Black SN850X SSD 2 TB M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 NVMe (MSFS), Crucial MX500 2TB (Other stuff) | CASE: Forgeon Arcanite ARGB Mesh Tower ATX White | Power Supply: Forgeon Bolt PSU 850W 80+ Gold Full Modular White
July 8, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Alvega said: So, you didn't fly the aircraft and say "The aircraft acts and performs as expected in regular and irregular situations" because you read a manual? Ok, then. If the 146 does what reason do I have to believe that the F28 wouldn’t? like I said more than happy to be proven wrong upon release but I’m not seeing any reason why I would be. I’ll just take back my assumption in your favor and we can wait till Wednesday 🙂
July 8, 20232 yr Just now, Lucky38i said: If the 146 does what reason do I have to believe that the F28 wouldn’t? like I said more than happy to be proven wrong upon release but I’m not seeing any reason why I would be. I’ll just take back my assumption in your favor and we can wait till Wednesday 🙂 I'm with ya mate. The F28 will be amazing. Another JF classic. Can't wait. Jase Jaseman. Lovin it up here........ Catch us over at MassieSim32 -> https://discord.gg/B4buuHGhcr
July 8, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said: Oh the 146 does have failures now? That's great. Random failures, too? And is there a FMC by now? The lack of it was deterring me from buying it a year ago (no interest in ancient navigation techniques 😉 ) Yes failures as well as random failures with configurable probability https://www.justflight.com/articles/146-professional-msfs-update-may-2023#:~:text=A Failures menu allows you,(high%2C low etc). B146 came equipped as standard for VOR-VOR flying. Later by varying airlines optioned between the PL21 and UNS-1. The PL21 is currently there as an option with the UNS-1 coming later. I do understand some folks prefer the FMC familiarity so definitely isn’t for everyone.
July 8, 20232 yr Author 2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said: Oh the 146 does have failures now? That's great. Random failures, too? And is there a FMC by now? The lack of it was deterring me from buying it a year ago (no interest in ancient navigation techniques 😉 ) The 146 has had an FMC since day one of release. There is a more sophisticatedly modelled (but more primitive technically) UNS-1 in development for the plane though that seems to have hit some delays.
July 8, 20232 yr I never perceived PDMG as the top dogs nor as being better than Just Flight. Just Flight has one of the most diverse aircraft catalogues in flight simming. Asus Maximus X Hero Z370/ Windows 10 MSI Gaming X 1080Ti (2100 mhz OC Watercooled) 8700k (4.7ghz OC Watercooled) 32GB DDR4 3000 Ram 500GB SAMSUNG 860 EVO SERIES SSD M.2
July 8, 20232 yr Maybe ist is 70 € worth but for me it is too expensive for an addon that I would rarely use. Intel i9-14900K, 64 GB RAM, MB ASUS ROG STRIX 790-E, NVIDIA GTX 4080 Super 16GB, 2 x 2 TB M.2, BE QUIET Pure Power 12 M 1000W, BE QUIET Silent Loop 3 360 AIO, BE QUIET Dark Base Pro 901, 4K-Monitor, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, Thrustmaster TCA Yoke, Streamdeck XL, Thrustmaster T.16000M Joystick, Saitek Rudder Pedals, WINCTRL PAP3, WINCTRL 3M PDC, JetMax 737 home cockpi
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