2 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Yes Bob, but have him try a different GA plane and see what he says next time you see him.

My problem with real pilots is that they often have little knowledge of how good FSMS has become.

Also ask him what part he found realistic and what part he found not to be on par.

I would really look forward to that discussion.

 

Ron

 

I don't quite understand the point  you are trying to make. Are you saying that other GA aircraft in MSFS are as realistic as the A2A Comanche, and if you are, which one's? I own a few good payware GA aircraft, and they don't come close to the Comanche. 

9 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I don't quite understand the point  you are trying to make. Are you saying that other GA aircraft in MSFS are as realistic as the A2A Comanche, and if you are, which one's? I own a few good payware GA aircraft, and they don't come close to the Comanche. 

No I am not saying that at all. But your friend has no reference point. You could have given him the default Cessna from FSMS and he would have said its quite realistic.

Often real pilots think of FSMS as more of a toy or game.So they go...yeah, thats pretty good.

If you have him try more then one plane, even as a comanche pilot, he would have a better reference point as to how realistic the comanche is compared to what is out there in FSMS.

Not not sure if I am coming across well in text.

Ron

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

No I am not saying that at all. But your friend has no reference point. You could have given him the default Cessna from FSMS and he would have said its quite realistic.

Often real pilots think of FSMS as more of a toy or game.So they go...yeah, thats pretty good.

If you have him try more then one plane, even as a comanche pilot, he would have a better reference point as to how realistic the comanche is compared to what is out there in FSMS.

Not not sure if I am coming across well in text.

Ron

 

 

 

I think the default Cessna is a joke, and I am a real pilot with many hours in a real C 152 and C 172. Why would he think it would be more realistic than the Comanche? 

I just completed a flight on A Pilots Life V2 in the Comanche, I usually fly the Fenix, because that progr am is more geared to Airliners than GA aircraft. Anyway, I decided to see just how soft I could land the Comanche. I used to pride myself landing C 152-C 172 and Warriors, with very soft touchdowns. Anyway, I decided to do one of these landings in the Comanche today. My touchdown read on A Pilots Life report,  -9 fpm with a Gforce at touchdown of 0.90.  Landing the Comanche is a piece of cake. 

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17 hours ago, Ixoye said:

That's how Scott at A2A does in real life and recommend.

Watch and listen again - flaps up when ON the runway.

15 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I think the default Cessna is a joke, and I am a real pilot with many hours in a real C 152 and C 172. Why would he think it would be more realistic than the Comanche? 

How are you ranking the C-152 JP mod compare to the real aircraft? JP C-152 and Comanche are my favorite aircrafts in the sim.

43 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Yes Bob, but have him try a different GA plane and see what he says next time you see him.

My problem with real pilots is that they often have little knowledge of how good FSMS has become.

Also ask him what part he found realistic and what part he found not to be on par.

I would really look forward to that discussion.

 

Ron

 

There are long debate who is "real pilot " even among certified pilots. LOL Joke aside if you take an actual pilot and put him in front of the computer you will immediately notice awkwardness with PC controls which doesn't have the same feedback as actual aircraft controls. From that point everything would not feel as real. It will take some time to adjust to sim controls and interpolate simulation vs reality. On the other hand, a pilot who is also a simmer would be a very good asset for evaluation. Fortunately we have plenty of those on the forum! 

4 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Watch and listen again - flaps up when ON the runway.

That discussion is over and done.

21 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I think the default Cessna is a joke, and I am a real pilot with many hours in a real C 152 and C 172. Why would he think it would be more realistic than the Comanche? 

Did not know you were a real pilot Bob. Great to hear.

You seem to be in the impression that I am arguing with you. I am not. I am trying to find out how realistic the Comanche is compared to the real thing. That is all.

sd_flyer explains my point of view very well.

I would love a pilot of a comanche who is ALSO a simmer not working for A2A who could tell us what feels real and not real on this plane.

Either way, I love this plane and to me is the most immersive plane I have simmed in the last 20 years.

Course I can only compare to flying a real Cessna for 20 or so hours. I am far far from a reliable source for the real thing.

Ron

 

 

15 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

There are long debate who is "real pilot " even among certified pilots. LOL Joke aside if you take an actual pilot and put him in front of the computer you will immediately notice awkwardness with PC controls which doesn't have the same feedback as actual aircraft controls. From that point everything would not feel as real. It will take some time to adjust to sim controls and interpolate simulation vs reality. On the other hand, a pilot who is also a simmer would be a very good asset for evaluation. Fortunately we have plenty of those on the forum! 

 

 

 

18 hours ago, Jazz said:

I think perhaps you misunderstand and that he said, or at least meant, to pull them up once the aircraft is firmly on the runway. That seems to be normal practice and that's how I have been seeing comanche pilots do it in reality.

I think it was also mentioned in that particular scenario where you have not a lot of runway. Dump the lift and brake. 

But as said

before practice. Just go into a pattern and do ten touch and go's. Get a feel for it. And when done, load up the plane full passengers and luggage an do it again. It will feel different. 

15 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Did not know you were a real pilot Bob. Great to hear.

You seem to be in the impression that I am arguing with you. I am not. I am trying to find out how realistic the Comanche is compared to the real thing. That is all.

sd_flyer explains my point of view very well.

I would love a pilot of a comanche who is ALSO a simmer not working for A2A who could tell us what feels real and not real on this plane.

Either way, I love this plane and to me is the most immersive plane I have simmed in the last 20 years.

Course I can only compare to flying a real Cessna for 20 or so hours. I am far far from a reliable source for the real thing.

Ron

 

 

 

 

 

Well the A2A developer who designed the Comanche, is a real pilot, owns a Comanche, and has been flying his own aircraft for years. He is also an avid simmer. I will take his word for it, any day. 

To my original post...  My Bravo Throttle Quadrant trim wheel was sending signals to the Elevator resulting in weird AOA's  on landing.  I believe, it is sorted out and those bounces should become a rare event.  Funny, it was only in the Comanche but the realism factor created some conflict.  Oddly. many of the bounces came after a 50-80 fpm landing.   I adjusted the A2A elevator effectiveness with the tablet and redid the trim wheel in MSFS  controls.  I may do a little more tweaking  to account for the Alpha Yoke resistance.  

 

Off to the sky and keep tweaking.  

11 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

Necessary?  Naw.  Marginally helpful, tops.  In a light plane, air run is far more important than ground decel to a short field landing.  The A2A Commanche touches down in a full stall at around 46mph.  At that speed, there isn't a runway in existence you should need aggressive braking to stop on.  If you do, it's because you mishandled energy and / or missed your touchdown point.  When you can reliably touch down in a full stall on the numbers, brakes are almost superfluous.

I'm with @sd_flyer... touching things on the rollout in a retractable gear plane is pretty universally considered a bad idea.  If you needed that extra 30ft of stopping distance it might buy you, you already should have gone around long beforehand.

You can't just barge into an Internet forum throwing around facts based on real world professional experience!

Everyone knows you throw up the spoilers, change gears to Reverse, and drop the tail hook...every. Single. TIME!

 

12 minutes ago, diajohn said:

To my original post...  My Bravo Throttle Quadrant trim wheel was sending signals to the Elevator resulting in weird AOA's  on landing.  I believe, it is sorted out and those bounces should become a rare event.  Funny, it was only in the Comanche but the realism factor created some conflict.  Oddly. many of the bounces came after a 50-80 fpm landing.   I adjusted the A2A elevator effectiveness with the tablet and redid the trim wheel in MSFS  controls.  I may do a little more tweaking  to account for the Alpha Yoke resistance.  

 

Off to the sky and keep tweaking.  

You trim wheel did things...? Did it move the trim wheel handle in the cockpit?

47 minutes ago, Rene_Feijen said:

You trim wheel did things...? Did it move the trim wheel handle in the cockpit?

It did