2 minutes ago, Los said:

Looks like he’s still flying when he pulls them up the video. Watched three times.

Perhaps you need to watch a 4th time .. 😜

Just now, Vel said:

Perhaps you need to watch a 4th time .. 😜

Go to 4:37  Wheels are on ground, flaps are still down. 

3 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

The wheels were down and the flaps had not retracted yet. 

 

In the exterior shot, not the in cockpit.

Still not a good habit, especially in a retractable gear.

Flaps should not be touched until clear of the runway.

Edited August 15, 20232 yr by Los

Just now, Los said:

In the exterior shot, not the n cockpit.

Well the wheels and the flaps are on the exterior. 

3 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Go to 4:37  Wheels are on ground, flaps are still down. 

You won't get that Boom Bang effekt if you set the wheels down first, try it yourself, you will get the same effect in the sim as in the video.

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Well the wheels and the flaps are on the exterior. 

The exterior shot and the cockpit shot are not the same landing.

Notice the hangars are on the opposite sides.

Maybe this explains the gear up landing in the Aerostar…😁

2 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

You won't get that Boom Bang effekt if you set the wheels down first, try it yourself, you will get the same effect in the sim as in the video.

I think you like the idea of the "boom bang" effect too much! There is no type I have flown where you change the flap setting during the flare. You could even argue that the aerodynamic braking effect will be reduced by changing the flap setting during the initial landing and roll out phase, but hey, dont let me contradict your conviction! 😁

36 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

That's how Scott at A2A does in real life and recommend.

Nope. Flaps up for max gross weight braking but after touch down, not during flare

2 minutes ago, Vel said:

I think you like the idea of the "boom bang" effect too much! There is no type I have flown where you change the flap setting during the flare. You could even argue that the aerodynamic braking effect will be reduced by changing the flap setting during the initial landing and roll out phase, but hey, dont let me contradict your conviction! 😁

It's probably a good way to test the shock absorbing quality of the landing gear, or how tuff your butt is.....😉

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

It's probably a good way to test the shock absorbing quality of the landing gear, or how tuff your butt is.....😉

My butt has taken a pounding without touching the flaps on some of my landings Bob 😁

27 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

I give up, you experts know best.

Out of curiousity, do you fly for real? It is very bad practice to change your landing configuration moments before touchdown, especially retracting the flaps. You'll loose a lot of lift and if you retract flaps to early the landing could become very nasty. Although, as shown in this video below, if done properly it can help to make a short landing (but that would of course be different for other types of aircraft). As an instructor, teaching in an Aeroprakt-32 as in the video, I would never ever teach a student to retract flaps during a flare. Never! Earliest moment to fully retract flaps will be after settling solidly on the ground, as Scott seems to be doing with his Comanche in the video above.

 

Pilots who bounce landings are known as "Captain Kangaroo."

1 hour ago, Ixoye said:

About 4:40 in the video. 

 

Yes, the flaps are still down until he is firmly on the runway when he then raises them to to drop the remaining lift and give maximum traction to the wheels.

You misunderstood.

1 hour ago, Los said:

Looks like he’s still flying when he pulls them up in the video.

Watched it three times.

(In the in-cockpit video not the exterior shot before.)

Then you need to watch it again. He has his hand on the throttle all the way down to the ground and then he takes his hand off the throttle and moves it to the yoke for a second or two as the aircraft settles on the runway and then he reaches over to raise the flaps.

 

So I'm victim of random people pulling flaps during round up and flare. LOL I have experienced it in numerous aircraft and it scared "s" out of me. LOL   If flaps be pulled during round up and flare  as Bob suggested most likely pilot's butt will hurt, wheel go shimmy, or  aircraft start proposing risking collapsing gear or prop strike. A timely application of pitch and power may save such landing, but are you ready to pay out of you pocket for blown seal in you oleo strut? LOL

Also it's no recommended to touch flaps in retract gear  as many people  pull the wrong switch . Some Pipers kind of immune   of that due to flap bar, but in other RG aircraft it could be very easy. Squat switch with only lock gear when full aircraft weight apply which not always a case just after touch down. I witness several case like that back in days especially in Arrow that used to be backbone of commercial certificate training in US - not anymore though