FSS E-Jets Status Report

[sd_flyer]

As long as developer are not cheating it is worth to support your hobby and invest in developing product that you would like to see. Back in FSX people where excited to see laterally anything new! What happened now? Simmers are too spoiled?

[Adrian123]

1 minute ago, sd_flyer said:

Simmers are too spoiled?

Perhaps, more sophisticated and wiser.

Edited December 9, 2023 by Adrian123

[chapstick]

4 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Simmers are too spoiled?

Ripped off too many times. 

[sd_flyer]

12 minutes ago, Adrian123 said:

Perhaps, more sophisticated and wiser.

Then don't invest, save money. Wait until miracle happens  and sophisticated developer drop exactly what you sophisticated needs require!

[sd_flyer]

13 minutes ago, chapstick said:

Ripped off too many times. 

Don't invest. Did you buy ERJ series? 

[blueshark747]

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

I'll think I'll use those when I get banned again over at the PMDG forums 😉

PMDG forum's moderation is worst than the official forum's overzealous moderation?

No way! Now that's pushing an iron fisted envelope!🤣😂

[mspencer]

9 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Then don't invest, save money. Wait until miracle happens  and sophisticated developer drop exactly what you sophisticated needs require!

I don't think anyone asked for you to try to close down the discussion thread by belittling other users.

[mspencer]

So 6 more months for an FMS beta... 

The issue isn't "VNAV" or "LNAV," it's that the product was marketed to customers as basically being feature complete before launch, and launched with default Asobo systems powering the whole thing, while the dev tried to gaslight customers into believing VNAV was just a button with a big ole INOP sticker over it in half the EJets in the world. That was hogwash. My first thought was "what are they using for sources?" as the EJet can easily do VNAV from the ground all the way to MDA.

As jarmstro said, I don't have any confidence these devs can deliver a finished product. At least, we're seeing more than the crazy flowchart they showed us back in September, it looks like at least *somebody* is working on the custom FMS, but I have more questions. Where did the other dev go? Wasn't someone programming this for another aircraft, now they're coding it themselves? When did they start? Seems like it wasn't being worked on until quite recently.

18 months from release to see non-Asobo LNAV code which, let's be honest, nobody's first attempt at LNAV/VNAV has ever been great in any sim, is just incredibly disappointing given how many implied promises were made during late stages prior to release.

And for anyone saying "well you get what you get, nobody else had the time and money!" I ask you how you know this. MS itself has reported a majority of aircraft they've been made aware of are generally unannounced (in their dev updates every few weeks). If you were putting an EJet down on your roadmap, starting to work on assets and research, well, of course when AviationLads (ugh) releases this trailer baiting the community into a new, "study level" EJet that looks great, with the assets already bought in from X-Plane, you're going to move that project off your roadmap. No need to start development of an airplane when somebody else is 18-24 months ahead of you because they bought assets and kinda... fudged the details with the preview videos.

They squatted on the EJet and now, yeah, we probably won't see a great EJet for years. It's unfortunate.

 

Edit: Want to say, it's not that I think FSS are bad guys or necessarily bad devs, but they should never have picked up the EJet in the first place. They produced the SeaRey (eh - not for me), and two very decent looking Tecnams, the technical issues with the new one seeming to be due to unfortunate timing (and not programming for the SU14 beta...)
They continue to make tons of unforced errors in all of their projects, that's fine, they're still new, we can forgive and move on, but the sort of cluelessness about the actual plane, questions and comments I see from the devs in Discord, just lead me to believe it's never really gonna be done.

Edited December 9, 2023 by mspencer

[Fiorentoni]

9 minutes ago, mspencer said:

Wasn't someone programming this for another aircraft, now they're coding it themselves?

No, if you look closely they say "One full-time dev is doing FMS, one full-time dev is doing autopilot". What is missing, is... LNAV. So they are still using the LNAV developed by another company (Aerosoft A330 from what I've concluded), and doing the rest themselves.

[sd_flyer]

17 minutes ago, mspencer said:

I don't think anyone asked for you to try to close down the discussion thread by belittling other users.

Best look at the mirror and do the same LOL

[chapstick]

20 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Don't invest. Did you buy ERJ series? 

I didn’t buy it. But others did. And they’re the enablers of these cash grab early access practices. 

p.s. it’s not an investment 

[sd_flyer]

Just now, chapstick said:

I didn’t buy it. But others did. And they’re the enablers of these cash grab early access practices. 

p.s. it’s not an investment 

So its easy for you. You shouldn't even bothered about FSS! Who cares really? You worry about other people money?

[Ricardo41]

Early access? What a load of rubbish. Develop the plane, release the plane. 

I mean, there are always simmers ready to defend these kinds of practices. 

A developer could release a picture of a screw, claiming it's early access for a forthcoming Airbus A350, and there is gonna be a ton of folks saying: wow, looks great, can't wait to get my hands on this, first day buy! Please take my money now!

Btw, guys, I want to invite you all to my new restaurant called Early Access. It's a pizza joint. I'll come to your table and slap a bunch of pizza dough on your plate. If you ask for the rest of the pizza, I'll say: what are you on about, it's early access Pizza!

[F737MAX]

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

It's possible that no other company would make it.

It's possible, but unlikely that one of the most popular modern airliners would go unmade.

The wait devs had for Asobo to provide  them with a well-developed SDK to work with is part of the reason we haven’t seen more airliners yet.

Also, it took ages for quality airliners to appear in FSX, yet with MSFS2024 on the scene to re-jolt excitement into the hobby and a full SDK this time round, 2025 is going to be a completely different environment. IMHO.

[chapstick]

54 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

So it’s easy for you. You shouldn't even bothered about FSS! Who cares really? You worry about other people money?

Yes, I worry that simmers are getting suckered, and other devs see that this model works, and that becomes the norm.