FSS E-Jets Status Report

[sd_flyer]

9 minutes ago, chapstick said:

Yes, I worry that simmers are getting suckered, and other devs see that this model works, and that becomes the norm. 

The only thing simmer can do is to vote with the wallet! For example I still don't understand why people pay for Captain Sim LOL But they do!

Just like anything else expressions such as like "early access" or "study level" are very subjective terms and can be easily manipulated as it fit. For example ERJ has WX radar, PMDG doesn't. PMDG call call it limitation of current state MSFS and not realistic enough to put it in. But when it comes to LNAV that overshoots waypoint is good enough because it's not LEVEL D sim ! LOL You see ?  So what we can we call PMDG an early access now ?  LOL I guess it depends !

I actually think there are only developers that actually delivered complete products but those products not yet complex airliners. A2A is one of few that coming first to mind. Everything else is to me an artistic representation. Yes, I'm all for realism and push it as far as it can go in MSFS. But lets be honest none of airliners ever to come in MSFS ever get us RW type rating ! So unless any of us flying real counterpart we just pretend we know realism based on what we read and saw.   So take it or leave, simmer must learn how to thrust and invest in hobby. There is also a thing like patience and "to give someone a chance".  PMDG didn't build their airliners in one year, did they? They started back 1997 and still being highly criticized for shortcomings!  FSS started just last year  and here sophisticated simmers worry about scam. LOL Give them 26 years like PMDG had and then I'll buy your argument ! LOL

 

[F737MAX]

23 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

They started back 1997 and still being highly criticized for shortcomings!

PMDG is being criticised for not living up to the high standards they set themselves over those 26 years, for being surpassed in some aspects by a bunch of freeware devs, and for the hyper sensitivity displayed on their own forums.
Otherwise, while some of it is undeserved, there's a lot of praise for them and their work.

FSS is being criticised for having no reputation and currently expecting $35 for an alpha state aircraft whose strobes still don't work, and where trying to change anything the MFD causes CTDs.

BlueBird Sim is also a new dev to the scene who has delayed their 757 product launch based on feedback that it should be more detailed.
Looking at their YouTube videos, they have listened and, fingers crossed, we hope to see a fitting recreation of the 757 and 767.

I know which type of newcomer developer I prefer to see more of.
 

Edited December 9, 2023 by F737MAX
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[carlanthony24]

Yeah but BlueBird Sim have been around in the like of FSX with Posky if I remember correctly. I know which E Jet I would like and that would not be Virtualcol.

41 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

BlueBird Sim is also a new dev to the scene who has delayed their 757 product launch based on feedback that it should be more detailed.
Looking at their YouTube videos, they have listened and, fingers crossed, we hope to see a fitting recreation of the 757 and 767.

I know which type of newcomer developer I prefer to see more of.
 

 

[Steve Dra]

2 hours ago, F737MAX said:

BlueBird Sim is also a new dev to the scene

The lead dev and CEO Sherv is certainly not new to the scene...but yes the company "BlueBird" is.  I have full confidence that Bluebird's releases will be great.

[sd_flyer]

2 hours ago, F737MAX said:

PMDG is being criticised for not living up to the high standards they set themselves over those 26 years, for being surpassed in some aspects by a bunch of freeware devs, and for the hyper sensitivity displayed on their own forums.
Otherwise, while some of it is undeserved, there's a lot of praise for them and their work.

FSS is being criticised for having no reputation and currently expecting $35 for an alpha state aircraft whose strobes still don't work, and where trying to change anything the MFD causes CTDs.

BlueBird Sim is also a new dev to the scene who has delayed their 757 product launch based on feedback that it should be more detailed.
Looking at their YouTube videos, they have listened and, fingers crossed, we hope to see a fitting recreation of the 757 and 767.

I know which type of newcomer developer I prefer to see more of.
 

So I have FSS Ejet. Not having VNAV is disappointing . But I must say I never had a single CTD. And having FLC makes my brain work better lol

I ventured to Europe several times this year and got to fly ERJ several times as well. With all criticism I wish developer to get a grip and get it done . So I opted to give them a shot . It’s my choice and so if they fail it is my tab . 

[Sonosusto]

12 hours ago, jarmstro said:

I bought in early. But I regret it. Little progress seems to have been made and I do not believe they are competent to make any.

Odd. Some of use may feel differently about this. They are improving it and even have a schedule set up for the next updates. It does take time. I got this around Mid-Sep so my results may vary.

[jaguara5]

For someone who is mainly interested to hand fly patterns is the module recommended?  Are the FM physics believable?

[mspencer]

Alright, a year after this thread was created, a bit of a stunning admission in the FSS discord today...

Tensions there are boiling over and people are getting warned left and right for being petulant children, but more of the story is starting to come out...

I bought both - I came to terms earlier this year that I don't believe the product will ever be completed. I think they're way out of their depth and I'm not convinced what they're developing is going to work great anyways. The solution here was to hire a guy. We're now being told it's "months [not years]," I'm sorry but I would've believed that a year ago.

[Skytatoo]

1 hour ago, mspencer said:

Alright, a year after this thread was created, a bit of a stunning admission in the FSS discord today...

Tensions there are boiling over and people are getting warned left and right for being petulant children, but more of the story is starting to come out...

I bought both - I came to terms earlier this year that I don't believe the product will ever be completed. I think they're way out of their depth and I'm not convinced what they're developing is going to work great anyways. The solution here was to hire a guy. We're now being told it's "months [not years]," I'm sorry but I would've believed that a year ago.

I've lost hope on their e-jets loooong time ago. Evident lack of skills on the custom FMS, LNAV and VNAV implementation IMO.

[Sonosusto]

Meh. Thread revived. Yeah, they're missing some stuff but the obession over VNAV and Custom LNAV is just repeating all of the things people complain about. Its like when 2020 was first released and everyone said the same thing "the planes fly like in GTA 5 etc."  Just a repeat. Pointless.

Besides...Flight level change and VS are better for me in a flight sim anyway. Custom FMS would be nice but overall the plane(s) are pretty decent. Never had issues making flight plans and having the plane following them. If you're talking airways....then a whole slew of planes have that issue so don't get me started on that.

There are plenty of fully "released" planes from very reputable developers that have left some options and function out of their planes. I don't see everyone up in arms of about BlackBox, Carenado or the half dozen developer that make pretty planes without function.

FSS is trying. They're planes are pretty fun to fly, really.

[RJPIC]

2 hours ago, Sonosusto said:

Meh. Thread revived. Yeah, they're missing some stuff but the obession over VNAV and Custom LNAV is just repeating all of the things people complain about. Its like when 2020 was first released and everyone said the same thing "the planes fly like in GTA 5 etc."  Just a repeat. Pointless.

Besides...Flight level change and VS are better for me in a flight sim anyway. Custom FMS would be nice but overall the plane(s) are pretty decent. Never had issues making flight plans and having the plane following them. If you're talking airways....then a whole slew of planes have that issue so don't get me started on that.

There are plenty of fully "released" planes from very reputable developers that have left some options and function out of their planes. I don't see everyone up in arms of about BlackBox, Carenado or the half dozen developer that make pretty planes without function.

FSS is trying. They're planes are pretty fun to fly, really.

I agree with you, I believe the plane is flyable even though there is no VNAV (the CRJ I used to fly had no VNAV and we were perfectly fine without it, a bit more workload). It is a shame that certain virtual airlines are still not allowing the E-Jet on their platform though. I think this plane has come a long way and will continue to improve I am sure.

 

[Sonosusto]

4 hours ago, RJPIC said:

I agree with you, I believe the plane is flyable even though there is no VNAV (the CRJ I used to fly had no VNAV and we were perfectly fine without it, a bit more workload). It is a shame that certain virtual airlines are still not allowing the E-Jet on their platform though. I think this plane has come a long way and will continue to improve I am sure.

 

Yeah its like on a repetitive cycle of people repeating others. The planes are fun. They should go make a stink of other planes that are released "fully" that still have issues. 

In the meantime, they're fun. Though it would be nice to have them in 2024 as well.