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MSFS Adaptive LOD

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Just a small report, absolutely not an accusation! After running this yesterday but being unable to input values, I decided to uninstall on the next boot. On booting this morning I got a notification that TMP protection had been disabled.

Haven’t heard anyone else talking about this so I’m sure it’s just a blip on my machine, but just in case this happens to anyone else…

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I'm after being able to say set TLOD to 50 at 0 AGL, and then graduate up to say 200 at 2000' AGL, then 300 at 4000', and finally 400 at 10K feet AGL.  Or whatever values might make sense with the idea being a graduated dynamic LOD.  Is this possible w/ the app in it's current state of development?

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Is this possible w/ the app in it's current state of development?

The values don't change gradually between the steps you set. When you reach the next target altitude, the LOD value changes from the previous value to the next.

I still hesitate: for IFR flights it might be a good thing, but is the switch to lower LODs really invisible when approaching the destination? Or do the AGL levels need to be so low that the performance gain is minimal?

For VFR flying, this tool does not make sense to me, as I want as much LOD already right from the takeoff, e.g. if flying in a montaneous area. 

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1 hour ago, AnkH said:

I still hesitate: for IFR flights it might be a good thing, but is the switch to lower LODs really invisible when approaching the destination? Or do the AGL levels need to be so low that the performance gain is minimal?

For VFR flying, this tool does not make sense to me, as I want as much LOD already right from the takeoff, e.g. if flying in a montaneous area. 

From where I sit, this looks amazing. I have yet to download it, but IMO this will be invaluable when sat at large airports and the FPS is htting around 30 and starts to drop due to the introduction of FSLTL and/or GSX. Both big hitters while on the ground. 

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1 hour ago, AnkH said:

For VFR flying, this tool does not make sense to me, as I want as much LOD already right from the takeoff, e.g. if flying in a montaneous area. 

You can create different profiles, and use one profile for mountain VFR with more LOD at ground level, and another for big mean international airport scenery with less LOD at ground level.

1 hour ago, JacquesBrel said:

You can create different profiles, and use one profile for mountain VFR with more LOD at ground level, and another for big mean international airport scenery with less LOD at ground level.

How do you create different profiles? I can't see that option in the program but I would love to have it.

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9 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

How do you create different profiles?

The "Use Profile" dropdown. Select 1, 2 or 3.

The app author hasn't made it possible to have more than 3 profiles for some reason.

2 hours ago, Rocky_53 said:

From where I sit, this looks amazing. I have yet to download it, but IMO this will be invaluable when sat at large airports and the FPS is htting around 30 and starts to drop due to the introduction of FSLTL and/or GSX. Both big hitters while on the ground. 

Well, thanks to frame generation, I still get 50+ FPS on those hubs. But it might get rid of some occasional stutter?

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52 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Well, thanks to frame generation, I still get 50+ FPS on those hubs. But it might get rid of some occasional stutter?

This is exactly what I use it for. Makes iniEGLL and virtualfraEDDF actually enjoyable without fiddling with settings, for me.  And makes FG better since tearing no longer occurs when no stutters occur. 

6 hours ago, JacquesBrel said:

The values don't change gradually between the steps you set. When you reach the next target altitude, the LOD value changes from the previous value to the next.

Thanks for that.  I'm not clear on how to set it up.  I'm not interested in an FPS related setting, only would like to have the LOD match the AGL change.  What is the "S" the + and the - buttons for?  I don't see how set multiple AGL and LOD changes.

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

11 minutes ago, Noel said:

Thanks for that.  I'm not clear on how to set it up.  I'm not interested in an FPS related setting, only would like to have the LOD match the AGL change.  What is the "S" the + and the - buttons for?  I don't see how set multiple AGL and LOD changes.

  • Starting manually: before MSFS or in the Main Menu. It will stop itself when MSFS closes.
  • Closing the Window does not close the Program, use the Context Menu of the SysTray Icon.
  • Clicking on the SysTray Icon opens the Window (again).
  • Runnning as Admin NOT required (BUT: It is required to be run under the same User/Elevation as MSFS).
  • You can have (exactly) three different Sets/Profiles for the AGL/LOD Pairs to switch between (manually but dynamically).
  • For VR Support you have to mark the Profile with "VR Profile".
  • There is no automatic Detection if VR is active: you have to manually switch between Profiles.
  • The first Pair with AGL 0 can not be deleted. The AGL can not be changed. Only the xLOD.
  • Additional Pairs can be added at any AGL and xLOD desired. Pairs will always be sorted by AGL.
  • Plus is Add, Minus is Remove, S is Set (Change). Remove and Set require to double-click the Pair first.
  • A Pair is selected (and the configured xLOD applied) when the current AGL is above the configured AGL. If the current AGL goes below the configured AGL, the next lower Pair will be selected.
  • A new Pair is only selected in Accordance to the VS Trend - i.e. a lower Pair won't be selected if you're actually Climbing (only the next higer)
  • Less is more:
    • Fewer Increments/Decrements are better. Of reasonable Step-Size (roughly in the Range of 25-75).
    • Some Time in between Changes is better.
    • Don't overdo it with extreme low or high xLOD Values. A xLOD of 100 is reasonable fine on Ground, 200-ish is reasonable fine in Air.
    • Tune your AGL/LOD Pairs to the desired Performance (which is more than just FPS).
    • FPS Adaption is just one temporary Adjustment on the current AGL/xLOD Pair to fight some special/rare Situations.
    • Forcing the Sim to (un)load Objects in rapid Succession defeats the Goal to reduce Stutters. It is not about FPS.
    • Smooth Transitions lead to smoother Experiences.
  • Rest should be self-explanatory. And if it is not: You are using something you really should not use.

Well I guess it's above my pay grade.  The tray applet disappears a few seconds after it appears there, so when I go to click it to open up the interface it disappears.  Next, I'm still not clear what the +/- keys actually do.  I would have guessed it's supposed to open up dialogue to allow the user to put in another pair of AGL/LOD, but instead it closes the applet to the tray, and when I immediately go to the tray, it disappears before I can click it.  Obviously something is amiss. I did, I believe, initially use the installer .exe as an Administrator which I think the author says not to do.  The install appears to go properly and as I say I can open the applet's main window.

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

I have to ask, honestly:  do you see much difference between TLOD of 100 and 200, or even 300?  Early on I assumed the difference would be substantial.  About the only visual difference for me is the OSD displaying the CPU main thread load gets hit the higher you set TLOD, and yet visually the difference is moderate to absent at best.  So here, it's left at 100 and has been for the last year or so.  Early on I took screenshots from various AGL and could not discern any significant difference between 100 and even up to 400 in spots, and I'm all Ultra w/ a DSR factors at 4.00x so have very sharp imagery.

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

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