I participated in the survey. The results certainly did surprise me.

For me and I`m lucky enough to have most of what they all have to offer...

1. P3Dv5.4.........Looking better and better since my PC upgrade. My number one for sure.

2. X Plane 12....Again since the upgrade it seems to handle and look much better. I started simming on X Plane 10. Back in love with X Plane.

3. MSFS.........Fly it less and less. The main reason being the elongation, amongst others.

No regrets here. I am still on v5.3 and its working fine for me. I am enjoying flying the 737Max from iFly on a round-the-world route.

There's plenty of scenery around too.

 

There's only two things I am really waiting for in P3D:

• A decent Airbus A380 to fly  (unfortunately that will probably will never happen)
• Flytampa's Dubai to come down in price! (might happen at some stage!) 🤞

 

• A decent Airbus A380 to fly  (unfortunately that will probably will never happen)

I never really understood why a A380 was never made by PMDG...or any other company. X Plane also doesn't have one. 

6 minutes ago, Recognition said:

• A decent Airbus A380 to fly  (unfortunately that will probably will never happen)

I never really understood why a A380 was never made by PMDG...or any other company. X Plane also doesn't have one. 

We were going to get an A380 for X Plane by inbuilds but as often as we see when some companies start going after money, they change their agenda. If things just remain the same as before the MSFS announcement and go forward with the development, we would have had by now. That's the consequences when you have a market leaders enter into the genre that changes to focus on developers driven by money. They release the A310 and Beluga for Xpane before they decided to cut a deal with Asobo/MS the A310 and since then, there has been no word on any development of the A380, just rumors circulating around discord.

P3D 5.4 for me, and I don't really care what others are using. 

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

XP has always been highly regarded but to move to that would require me to learn things all over again and I’m too old. 😉

Well, having tried XP before, that's what I thought, too, but within a couple of weeks I had gotten use to the ecosystem (and I'm 66). In some ways it's simpler and less fiddly. But I won't get rid of P3D-- just too much investment in it... too many airplanes I doubt I'll ever find for anything else. I will definitely keep an eye on compatibility reports for P3D as it evolves. 

@Tim_Capps, the Colimata Concorde is a pale imitation of the FS Lans one for P3D. Having waited around six years for it there’s no way I’m leaving P3D now.

The aircraft are paramount. The Vertx DA-62 is superb and easily beats the version in MSFS.

17 hours ago, okupton said:

You don’t think there are more than 500k simmers? Hasn’t msfs sold (ok, probably a lot of gamepass users who got it for free) over 10 million copies? 

I was using 500k as an example. If it is double that then the survey is even smaller of a percentage

I have to wonder if P3D market has shrunk to next to nothing why are addons still so expensive? I'm no economist and can see how supply doesn't apply to software in the same way as a tangible commodity but does demand? Why not sell at cut rate prices like you would an eight-track tape at a yard sale just to get the stuff moving and make a little money off products they finished years ago for this "dead sim" so called? Could it be there are more people using and purchasing for ESP sims then these surveys and developers want us to believe?  Maybe to discourage customers from staying with the tried and true so they can keep selling the same addons across platform? Like how many 737NGs have we had since the FS9 days? In a word "marketing", for better or worse.

I'm not against new and better platforms, and fully understand the profit motive and market forces, just somewhat jealous over the migration of my favorite developers I have followed for years, who give those of us who choose not to migrate in a big way an increasingly condescending shove off, don't bother us, but we'll sure take your money. 

Edited December 23, 20232 yr by Patco Lch

2 hours ago, Patco Lch said:

I have to wonder if P3D market has shrunk to next to nothing why are addons still so expensive? I'm no economist and can see how supply doesn't apply to software in the same way as a tangible commodity but does demand? Why not sell at cut rate prices like you would an eight-track tape at a yard sale just to get the stuff moving and make a little money off products they finished years ago for this "dead sim" so called? Could it be there are more people using and purchasing for ESP sims then these surveys and developers want us to believe?  Maybe to discourage customers from staying with the tried and true so they can keep selling the same addons across platform? Like how many 737NGs have we had since the FS9 days? In a word "marketing", for better or worse.

I'm not against new and better platforms, and fully understand the profit motive and market forces, just somewhat jealous over the migration of my favorite developers I have followed for years, who give those of us who choose not to migrate in a big way an increasingly condescending shove off, don't bother us, but we'll sure take your money. 

I've wondered this, too.

I mean, at least drop the addon prices to parity with MSFS...

6 hours ago, BobFS88 said:

We were going to get an A380 for X Plane by inbuilds but as often as we see when some companies start going after money, they change their agenda.

 

 That's the consequences when you have a market leaders enter into the genre that changes to focus on developers driven by money. 

Companies go after money?

Developers are driven by money too!?

Geez, that’s terrible….🤨

56 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Companies go after money?

Developers are driven by money too!?

Geez, that’s terrible….🤨

Not all developer who are successful subscribe to the same formula just because you only see it works that way around here. Passion believe it or not, is another driver force when developers don't carry such overhead to feed and therefore can build quality aircraft and still make a living.

 

23 hours ago, Krakin said:

Is it really so surprising? Stagnated development leads to stagnated usage.

Probably not for the military.

5 hours ago, Patco Lch said:

I have to wonder if P3D market has shrunk to next to nothing why are addons still so expensive? I'm no economist and can see how supply doesn't apply to software in the same way as a tangible commodity but does demand? Why not sell at cut rate prices like you would an eight-track tape at a yard sale just to get the stuff moving and make a little money off products they finished years ago for this "dead sim" so called? Could it be there are more people using and purchasing for ESP sims then these surveys and developers want us to believe?  Maybe to discourage customers from staying with the tried and true so they can keep selling the same addons across platform? Like how many 737NGs have we had since the FS9 days? In a word "marketing", for better or worse.

I'm not against new and better platforms, and fully understand the profit motive and market forces, just somewhat jealous over the migration of my favorite developers I have followed for years, who give those of us who choose not to migrate in a big way an increasingly condescending shove off, don't bother us, but we'll sure take your money. 

If they sell it, they have to support it, or at least they should. That costs money.

42 minutes ago, BobFS88 said:

Not all developer who are successful subscribe to the same formula just because you only see it works that way around here. Passion believe it or not, is another driver force when developers don't carry such overhead to feed and therefore can build quality aircraft and still make a living.

Waa?