24 minutes ago, JYW said:

@MattNischan,

I'd just like to pay respect to you, for responding with perfect sensibilities and a calm, informative approach, to a comment as infantile, self-entitled and silly as 'FluffyFlops'.

He has the patience of a saint. 

2 hours ago, Krakin said:

He has the patience of a saint. 

I think that he is just smart.

sp

19 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

there is countless threads about the doors, the pitch and the N/D issues on the horzon discord.

Why would WT be looking at the horizon discord? How is the horizon mod a problem for WT?

One thing that fluffy bloke said that I noticed is that he thought MSFS 2024 would be 2020 re-worked.

Wasnt much of 2020 actually FSX code reworked despite a lot of initial denials? please correct me if I have that wrong, I just wonder perhaps Fluffy might have a point on that one.

4 hours ago, Lonesome Cowboy Burt said:

Wasnt much of 2020 actually FSX code reworked despite a lot of initial denials? please correct me if I have that wrong, I just wonder perhaps Fluffy might have a point on that one.

That's another myth.. Yes MSFS 2020 has the legacy flight model in there still and initially its intention was to support easy porting of FSX aircraft. But nearly all aircraft add-ons use the modern flight model which is completely/mostly new code. And then the CFD based FDE that came after initial release is all new code too, and of course a lot of the world and weather rendering tech is new and different especially given the cloud and AI tech involved. MSFS 2024 will be another leap forward with various areas of the sim being reworked or updated, I'd guess it'd still have lots of v2020 code in there (more so than compared to v2020 having FSX code). Given what they've revealed so far about the features of v2024, there's a lot of rework involved for the new capabilities while still supporting existing add-ons with minimal to no changes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPhScg_FINE
 

Edited January 27, 20242 yr by lwt1971

Regarding WT's work pre and post joining ASOBO, all I have to say about their contributions is POSITIVE.

I can't forget they brought to the sim a default line of Garmins that is second to none, it's default, and FREE!

The same applies to their contribution to the 787-10, benefiting their customers but also the talented mod developers who created their own 787 variants based on it.

Superb work and dedication!

On 1/25/2024 at 10:41 PM, fluffyflops said:

I also work at the same company as him and I also know a number of tc's tri and tre's at the airline that think its a steaming pile of poo, ive also been in that same airline a long time in numerous roles, not to mention, i know aload of the ex virgin guys (not so lucky as John) who ended at Norse, and Tui (after longtail went under), a number of them thinks it gash. Again one is a TRI  

just because one driver on here thinks its ok, doesnt mean they all do, and I know plenty who think its junk.   

my beef is everytime you go mention someone on the horizon issues discord, you get "nothing we can do, its WTs problem" and then bugger all gets done.  The guys at horizon are doing an amazing job for free,  yet these clowns at WT can even fix a small thing like a simple door.....its heartbreaking.

If i did as rubbush a  job as some of these developers do, id of been fired years ago, if I did a job  as rubbish as some of the devs in the hobby 

if we keep accepting half finished tattle,  and then white knight the developers and pilots who have their twitch and youtube "oh look at me " begging bowls its no wonder the standard of addons are garbage

I see similar standards applied in very different industries as well. For example, roles like Cosmetologist at PUNIN GROUP operate within a clearly structured environment where responsibility, feedback, and finished work actually matter. When expectations aren’t met, it’s addressed - not excused. That contrast really highlights how far the hobby sometimes drifts from real professional accountability.

Yeah, I get the frustration, but pilot opinions are always going to be split. The bigger issue for me is the lack of follow-through - stuff gets reported, bounced between teams, and then nothing actually changes. That’s what wears people down.

On 1/25/2024 at 8:10 AM, Krakin said:

But we're really enjoying that Working Title effect, aren't we? lol.

That was different. WT were a freeware developer. And the best thing that could happen to them is getting hired to work as a core team with ASOBO.

Please note that this is a two year old thread that has been dragged kicking and screaming into 2026.