11 minutes ago, nomad71 said:

No it won't.  All other AI traffic will be invisible to Beyond ATC

I someone doubt that,, PF3 which I use has been around for many years and it sees other AI  traffic. 

I imagine it will ignore them. Best case, until the implement their own traffic injection, is that they will see them and alert you to traffic like P2ATC does.

10 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I someone doubt that,, PF3 which I use has been around for many years and it sees other AI  traffic. 

Hope you are right Bob, but over at their Discord it was said that BATC will not see or control the traffic.

37 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

They said „alone in the sky experience“. So most probably it will ignore them or not even see them at all.

What's even the point of this then 😂 ATC is there because there's more than one guy in the air. 

Edited April 3, 20242 yr by thepilot

28 minutes ago, nomad71 said:

Hope you are right Bob, but over at their Discord it was said that BATC will not see or control the traffic.

Well it won't control the traffic, but it should see it. PF3 sees the AI traffic around me, and even uses the callsigns of the aircraft that FSLTL is generating, when it uses ATC chatter. If it could could that almost 10 years ago, I am sure BATC can do that now, or I would hope that it did. 

5 minutes ago, thepilot said:

What's even the point of this then 😂 ATC is there because there's more than one guy in the air. 

The point is for you to be controlled by ATC without all the weirdness that default MSFS ATC gives you every time you fly with it now.

Ultimately, yes, BeyondATC needs to control all the aircraft in the sky. I don't like 'early access' / beta / partially complete products, yet it would be hypocritical of those of us who accepted Fenix's CFM v1 A320 and a much later v2 Block 1 and Block 2 release schedule to criticise BeyondATC for doing something similar.

Concerns over the devs having attention taken away from delivering AI traffic control in favour of an endless list of bug fixes, VFR control, scope creep are legitimate. Though, don't forget, AI traffic control is scope creep from the original premise of the program.

On 3/28/2024 at 6:39 PM, Georgleboui said:

Voted to wait for traffic injection.

I never understood what the point of ATC without it actually controlling traffic.
Like without traffic, why bother with arrivals or departures?
Why bother with airways for that matter, might as well go in a direct line between airports.
Get your takeoff clearance right at the gate, save everyone the hassle.

FSHud is probably the only one doing it right, as janky and robotic as it is at the moment. And I've tried a lot of them - pilot2atc, sayintentions, ProATC.
Would be nice to have an actual competitor to that.

I voted the same way and, in reality we can wait for traffic while others operate as beta testers. I use FSHud for now as well as it does indeed control me and other traffic. But, it needs to be better in a lot of ways.

4 hours ago, thepilot said:

What's even the point of this then 😂 ATC is there because there's more than one guy in the air. 

Indeed. So it seems we are back where we started  months ago when they proudly presented a demo video where the user was cleared for takeoff right at the moment when an AI aircraft that had just landed on the opposite runway collided with him. 

I will wait for them to implement the control of AI traffic. Until then it actually isn't ATC (= Air Traffic Control).

Edited April 4, 20242 yr by RALF9636

9 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I someone doubt that,, PF3 which I use has been around for many years and it sees other AI  traffic.

If the dev hasn't programmed that functionality into BATC, it won't do it. Doesn't mean it can't be done, or he won't do it for the next iteration.

9 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Well it won't control the traffic, but it should see it. PF3 sees the AI traffic around me, and even uses the callsigns of the aircraft that FSLTL is generating, when it uses ATC chatter. If it could could that almost 10 years ago, I am sure BATC can do that now, or I would hope that it did. 

PF3 can do that because it was programmed that way. PF3 can't do it just like that all by itself in some automatic magical way. And neither can any existing ATC addon.

BATC will be progammed in the nearby future to inject and control all traffic. In order to make the current version see traffic (default or FSLT or whatever) they would have to program something completely new that would become totally redundant as soon as the planned traffic injection and controlling would be added. So that would be a complete and utter waste of time.

Programming isn't that easy.
 

10 hours ago, thepilot said:

What's even the point of this then 😂 ATC is there because there's more than one guy in the air. 

  

6 hours ago, RALF9636 said:

Until then it actually isn't ATC (= Air Traffic Control).

Which is why a lot of people (including me) asked the dev of BATC to rethink his strategy after the initial announcement around a year ago. And luckily he listened.
I do find it funny though that in the past, when it was normal for an ATC addon to not control anything else but the player, I was always frowned upon when I said an ATC addon needs to do its job, control traffic, in order to be called an ATC addon. No one seemed to mind if an ATC addon could see nothing but the player and either ignored the traffic completely or, at most, could see it and just fake communications. And now BATC comes along with complete control of traffic on the horizon and people laugh about it and ask what's the use of BATC if it doesn't control traffic... How quickly things change.

Luckily no one is forcing anyone to buy BATC before traffic is added so everyone who thinks an ATC addon without traffic control is ridiculous can keep on using any ATC solution they have now. While the rest is enjoying great ATC. (I really do wonder how many of those who say BATC without traffic sucks will buy it anyway on the day of release, haha!)

Edited April 4, 20242 yr by tup61

I will wait for traffic injection before trying it. Right now im pretty content with SI, wich also dont control traffic yet. If SI gets there first, im not even gonna try BATC.  Not sure BATC will be as flexible as SI wich is using AI and BATC is not…

I'm not certain this is the right course of action either. I would have hoped early access would at least be aware of and talk to traffic even if it doesn't actually manage it. But if it doesn't do any of that, it's just going to clear you for takeoff no matter if there's traffic on the runway.

What's the point of that?

Edit: Of course it will manage you in terms of vectoring, altitude assignments, tell you the runway etc. But if there's a queue ahead of you for takeoff and another plane is on the runway, it will just clear you for takeoff, apparently.

Edited April 4, 20242 yr by threexgreen

16 minutes ago, threexgreen said:

I'm not certain this is the right course of action either. I would have hoped early access would at least be aware of and talk to traffic even if it doesn't actually manage it. But if it doesn't do any of that, it's just going to clear you for takeoff no matter if there's traffic on the runway.

What's the point of that?

Edit: Of course it will manage you in terms of vectoring, altitude assignments, tell you the runway etc. But if there's a queue ahead of you for takeoff and another plane is on the runway, it will just clear you for takeoff, apparently.

 

Here's an idea, why not fly without traffic until BATC is upgraded to deal with it.

Absolutely pointless them programming in the ability to "talk" to OR deal in any way with regular AI traffic when they are programming their own traffic control & coms....

G

12 minutes ago, Gazzareth said:

Absolutely pointless them programming in the ability to "talk" to OR deal in any way with regular AI traffic when they are programming their own traffic control & coms....

Of course that's pointless. I didn't say they should program anything for the interim. I'm questioning the value in this state, or what value people see in it.

Edited April 4, 20242 yr by threexgreen

Well this is not good news, next step is community begings their complainings about bugs etc. The dev´s will focus ironing them out and the result is we don´t still have good ATC program with traffic injention, BATC seemed promising, I really hope, that these kids lack of patience haven´t spoiled it,