25 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Hi Ray,

Based on his/her post timing, that test isn't possible! 

He likely already did the flight before with the other two. Doesn't have to be on the same day.

4 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I don’t have MSFS but my guess is the same as Luis’s. He time accelerated his flights between TOC and TOD.

With a 1/2hr. dep (to cruise) and 1/2 arrival during descent, then there is taxi time, still comes out to three hours. Not counting resetting the flight. Maybe it's possible, but I don't buy it based on previous posts from this individual. 

Take this with a grain of salt is right, sea salt! 

Edited May 7, 20242 yr by Mike_CFII_MEL

2 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

He likely already did the flight before with the other two. Doesn't have to be on the same day.

Both BATC doesn't work and his three flights test posts are only hours apart, how could he or she have done them before or on another day?

Edited May 7, 20242 yr by Mike_CFII_MEL

1 minute ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

With a 1/2hr. dep (to cruise) and 1/2 arrival during descent, then there is taxi time, still comes out to three hours. Not counting resetting the flight. Maybe it's possible, but I don't buy it based on previous posts from this individual. 

Maybe the climb and descent were also time accelerated. It’s not of interest to me. My only interest was how they compared to RC4 especially the descent and approach phases which are the most critical and difficult to code.

Just now, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Both BATC doesn't work and his three flights test posts are only hours apart, how could he or she have done them before or on another day?

Day 1) Fly with FSHud
Day 2) Fly with SI
Day 11) Fly with BATC (once released)

Same route. Again, that's what I assume he did.

Just now, Ray Proudfoot said:

Maybe the climb and descent were also time accelerated. It’s not of interest to me. My only interest was how they compared to RC4 especially the descent and approach phases which are the most critical and difficult to code.

How could one conduct such test and expect ATC to keep up with accelerated time? If it does great, but if it doesn't how does one know it wasn't the accelerated time that caused the ATC issue? If this is what was done, it's a very bad way to test anything! Well, except testing accelerated time for issues.

I would hope if someone is going to skimp on testing or take shortcuts that they would disclose these shortcomings in the testing. 

24 minutes ago, Luis Hernandez said:

Skipped cruise, jumped ahead to TOD and just marked them all as "Good"?

Bad way to test!

6 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Day 1) Fly with FSHud
Day 2) Fly with SI
Day 11) Fly with BATC (once released)

Same route. Again, that's what I assume he did.

If that is what took place great, but he or she makes it sound like they conducted the test three times. 

14 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

especially the descent and approach phases which are the most critical and difficult to code

Which is proven by the BATC EA... Most problems occur in those phases of flight.

1 hour ago, kevinfirth said:

Oh it will, it will be the only true full ATC environment not just an addon

Not singling you or VoxATC out here, but the two competing AI programs and FSHud all say that exact same thing, and they all have similar flaws at this stage.

I'm not sure any of the solutions are mature enough to claim a full ATC environment.

16 minutes ago, mspencer said:

Not singling you or VoxATC out here, but the two competing AI programs and FSHud all say that exact same thing, and they all have similar flaws at this stage.

I'm not sure any of the solutions are mature enough to claim a full ATC environment.

I think what he means is that - as far as I understand - VoxATC controls AI traffic (which BATC and SI do not do at the moment) and supports both VFR and IFR and works for all kind of flight situations like diversions etc. (which FSHud does not at this moment). So in this regard no-one else can claim to be a true full ATC environment but VoxATC can.

Then again we don't know yet what voices VoxATC will have (or I missed it). Will it be limited to TTS-voices you have to purchase one by one by yourself like it was before?

And finally we don't know when VoxATC will be available. Maybe by the time of the VoxATC release one or several of the other addons also will have made significant progress on their way to a true full ATC environment.

 

21 minutes ago, mspencer said:

Not singling you or VoxATC out here, but the two competing AI programs and FSHud all say that exact same thing, and they all have similar flaws at this stage.

I'm not sure any of the solutions are mature enough to claim a full ATC environment.

Oh claiming it is one thing, making it real is another.  Can any of the other ATC apps have you at a runway hold at departure, with an aircraft on final, with GA AI in the circuit being dynamically instructed to orbit until that aircraft on final has touched down?  Didn't think so 😉

55 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

How could one conduct such test and expect ATC to keep up with accelerated time?

Radar Contact could keep up at no more than 4x acceleration providing there were no big turns in the route. Without seeing the route it’s difficult to make a judgement.

Perhaps ask the poster for more info.

43 minutes ago, tup61 said:

Which is proven by the BATC EA... Most problems occur in those phases of flight.

That’s what sorts the wheat from the chaff. 😉

15 minutes ago, kevinfirth said:

Oh claiming it is one thing, making it real is another.  Can any of the other ATC apps have you at a runway hold at departure, with an aircraft on final, with GA AI in the circuit being dynamically instructed to orbit until that aircraft on final has touched down?  Didn't think so 😉

Kevin, as always, you're teasing a great product! Looking forward to seeing it revealed.

Will it work with time compression?

Also, there was a question about a week ago (maybe on Discord) about whether there would be a button interface for those that prefer not to, or can't, use the voice interface. Were you able to ask the developer about that?

Thanks again.