21 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

He was talking about SI, which costs $360 dollars a year.

Good grief! 😳

13 minutes ago, techman said:

And both deliver incomplete data.

This is actually not true. They both deliver extremely complete data. Aside from some data fields which are not relevant to ATC, all the procedure fields that exist in the AIRAC exist in the navdata API. The procedures have complete legs including all the navaids, reference navaids, center fixes for RF, all correct altitude and speed restrictions, leg labels, RNAV service levels, bearings, distances, times, proc turns, holds, and indeed all procedures except GLS.

The API also provides comprehensive runway data, as well as the full list of taxiway vector data. The issue isn't the completeness, the issue is more that the airport ground features in the airport scenery itself (mostly taxiway names) doesn't always match the real charts, because there is no worldwide source of taxiway and airport layout data, so many of those had to be procedurally generated when the sim was released. If you have scenery that has these updated, though, the API will return those just fine (no matter if they are encrypted or not).

Aside from that, though, the API has everything needed and more. I don't know where this idea of bad procedure data comes from; we've been using it for nearly 4 years and it's extremely complete. Literally the only things missing are RNP levels and GLS approaches.

Edited May 5, 20242 yr by MattNischan

5 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Good grief! 😳

"Good grief" is putting mildly.

I've done the 24 hour demo twice and I really like Say Intentions.

That said, I'm in Canada where the $300 US per year becomes $410.50 and there just might another 13% tax on top of that!

Impossible to justify at that price IMO.

 

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Good grief! 😳

Yeah, it definitely is rich for just a single program. Worst of all, when it's that steep, you just feel like you're wasting money, every time you don't use it. It just becomes a mental egg timer to get the most out of the subscription every month.

5 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Yeah, it definitely is rich for just a single program.

Unfortunately LLMs are (and will continue to be for the foreseeable future) extremely computationally intensive, which leads to them being extraordinarily expensive to run, and thus expensive for dev consumers of these cloud services to use.

2 minutes ago, MattNischan said:

Unfortunately LLMs are (and will continue to be for the foreseeable future) extremely computationally intensive, which leads to them being extraordinarily expensive to run, and thus expensive for dev consumers of these cloud services to use.

Oh absolutely. I know it's 'fairly' priced in terms of what it actually costs to compute and do all of this on their end. Plus, I think the technology is super cool. But man it's hard to justify for most users.

Edited May 5, 20242 yr by Sethos

@Sethos and @Noell, it appears more appropriate for the professional market than just keen amateurs. Despite the price I’m sure some here will buy it.

5 hours ago, techman said:

And maybe MSFS2024 will surprise everyone with a AI based ATC, an open weather and Navdata-Api and live generated AI-Traffic by FR24 🙂

(Maybe this explains the rush of software being released right now 🙂 )

I doubt it, knowing what I do...

2 hours ago, techman said:

And both deliver incomplete data.

And what is it they lack?

On 5/6/2024 at 4:49 AM, kevinfirth said:

I doubt it, knowing what I do...

Which is… ? 🙂

Well done comparison video, worth a watch. The delay in SI response would be an immersion killer for me.

IN SIM SIDE BY SIDE ATC CALLS WITH BEYOND ATC & SAYINTENTIONS AI ATC (MSFS) (youtube.com)

On 5/5/2024 at 12:30 PM, Fiorentoni said:

For example in SI you can just do wrong readbacks, fly all over the place, ignore ATC instructions etc. and it will not enforce them upon you.

 

On 5/5/2024 at 12:30 PM, Fiorentoni said:

Also ChatGPT has no spatial awareness and can never have. It will regularly fail with vectors and literally give you the opposite ones.

 

Could not bring it on „paper“ better 👍

4 hours ago, NZ255 said:

Which is… ? 🙂

Can't say specifics unfortunately.  Just don't expect MSFS2024 to have an all new all singing and dancing ATC component in the base sim.

1 hour ago, hhbrbg said:

 

 

Could not bring it on „paper“ better 👍

Doesnt make it correct.

 

1. Because its not turned on.

2. It can and it does the job perfectly. Its just a matter of "feeding" it with the right parameters. It can also make predictions based on speed, distance, capabilities and (obviously) time. It´s "just" a matter of parameters. Yes, its a learning curve. I understand that not everyone has the time or the capabilities to catch up with all that new stuff.

Besides that - this is the final post in this "forum" for me.

Edited May 7, 20242 yr by techman

 

28 minutes ago, techman said:

It can and it does the job perfectly. Its just a matter of "feeding" it with the right parameters. It can also make predictions based on speed, distance, capabilities and (obviously) time. It´s "just" a matter of parameters. Yes, its a learning curve. I understand that not everyone has the time or the capabilities to catch up with all that new stuff.

I own Pilot2ATC, FSHud and try SI since a few weeks. None of these programs satisfies my wish to fly from point A to B with ATC coverage and without immersion breaking moments. But let’s hope, that the future brings us nearer to the holy grail of a working ATC.😊