3 hours ago, Bernard Ducret said:

the only box remaining unticked is for the quality of the voices, it's a little bit like releasing a super duper detailed "study level" aircraft in MSFS with FS9 graphics...

Recent developments are even ticking that box, wait for some more videos 😉

3 hours ago, Bernard Ducret said:

if the MSFS/Asobo team could take a careful and serious look at this product and talk to the VoxATC developers, they perhaps could see an opportunity for a superb and professional added value to their upcoming MSFS 2024, that would remove a big headache to Asobo still badly struggling with a half-backed ATC after four years. VoxATC could become the MSFS ATC gurus the same way WT are for avionics and INI for new default airplanes"

Feel free to put that to Jorg 🤣 I'd be happy to talk to him after FSExpo 😉

4 hours ago, Bernard Ducret said:

From the product descriptions offered by Kevin (thanks by the way for your efforts) and the (beta) videos, VoxATC seems to be ticking most boxes for a complete ATC product covering: IFR and VFR, accuracy in ATC procedures and phraseology, correct ground instructions, AI traffic with AIG (freeware and arguably the best and most complete AI package available today), voice recognition (or keyboard in the future if I understand correctly), the only box remaining unticked is for the quality of the voices, it's a little bit like releasing a super duper detailed "study level" aircraft in MSFS with FS9 graphics...

I agree.

But I think it will be a lot easier for VoxATC to tick that box for the voices in further development than it will be for those apps that currently more or less only have the voice box ticked to complete the other aspects...

Looking forward to the release of VoxATC. Until then I keep using FSHud, which also has most of the boxes ticked except for VFR and voice recognition and is available already.

 

Edited May 25, 20242 yr by RALF9636

3 hours ago, Rocky_53 said:

Great effort by you for the community Kevin, thank you. A quick question, as I have been unable to find an answer, but does VoxATC show the correct phraseology for each ATC interaction, in the form of text, as it does for the P3D/FSX versions. This is sadly lacking in BATC, and as someone who is not fully conversant with all phraseology, this would be a great help, as it was in the P3D version of VoxATC. Cheers.

You can run VoxATC in a prompted mode, which shows you textually what the correct phraseology should be.  This can be displayed/hidden by the user at their discretion 👍 

See here: the prompted text turns green when you've spoken it, showing its been understood.  It's a great way to learn phraseology.  When you're confident enough, hide the prompt with the button at the top - easy peasy!  Very confident?  Fly in expert mode and get no prompts at all.  You have complete freedom to speak as you wish.  But if you speak garbage, don't expect controllers to be very forgiving of you! 😄

 

I've been holding off showing the UI because it is changing slightly, but when I get to a computer I'll post some examples to show you.  Just beat in mind it's not a finished polished UI yet.  

Edited May 25, 20242 yr by kevinfirth

1 minute ago, RALF9636 said:

I think it wil be a lot easier for VoxATC to tick that box for the voices in further development than it will be for those apps that currently more or less only have the voice box ticked to complete the other aspects...

'ticked' past tense, at least in terms of number and variety of free much better quality voices available in beta.  let me do you a teaser this afternoon 😉

4 hours ago, Bernard Ducret said:

the only box remaining unticked is for the quality of the voices, it's a little bit like releasing a super duper detailed "study level" aircraft in MSFS with FS9 graphics...

Something we’re working on at the moment, and we might just have found a solution. No promises though!

Edited May 25, 20242 yr by Cpt_Piett

This is looking more and more interesting, even for a button user like me. FSHud and BATC are great and all but I notice I am longing for even better (realistic) prhaseology. VoxATC might tick that box.

Does Vox enforce more realistic communication, i.e call out- or note mistakes? I feel with both SI and BATC, BATC especially, you can easily leave out information in a transmission and it'll still accept it as long as you've said the scripted keywords. Even leave out my callsign and number and it'll never question it.

24 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Does Vox enforce more realistic communication, i.e call out- or note mistakes? I feel with both SI and BATC, BATC especially, you can easily leave out information in a transmission and it'll still accept it as long as you've said the scripted keywords. Even leave out my callsign and number and it'll never question it.

The short answer to your question is yes.

If you read back all the critical information, you'll be told readback correct.  if you get half of it right, the controller will come back to you and requests you confirm the bit you got wrong back, but NOT the bit you got right!  Callsigns are critical, (maybe not when its only you in the 'controlled' sky), in a full Simulated Air Traffic Control Environment like Vox, its essential.  If the controller doesn't know who's talking for some reason, either because your callsign was mashed, or you didn't give it, a controller will ask you "last aircraft, say again".

 

33 minutes ago, tup61 said:

This is looking more and more interesting, even for a button user like me. FSHud and BATC are great and all but I notice I am longing for even better (realistic) phraseology. VoxATC might tick that box.

Whatever floats your boat.  The mission for VoxATC is to provide a gold standard, most accurate ATC experience as possible in the sim.  Not everyone will want that level of fidelity, for whatever reason, and that's ok.  But both the developer and I are pilots, and the age old maxim of flying is still true.- Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. 

The sim itself and other addons means aviation and navigation are very well catered for.  We are trying (within the boundaries of what's technically possible, and also what's economically possible), to give you the option of satisfying the 'communicate' part of that, as best we can!

2 hours ago, kevinfirth said:

You can run VoxATC in a prompted mode, which shows you textually what the correct phraseology should be.  This can be displayed/hidden by the user at their discretion 👍 

See here: the prompted text turns green when you've spoken it, showing its been understood.  It's a great way to learn phraseology.  When you're confident enough, hide the prompt with the button at the top - easy peasy!  Very confident?  Fly in expert mode and get no prompts at all.  You have complete freedom to speak as you wish.  But if you speak garbage, don't expect controllers to be very forgiving of you! 😄

 

I've been holding off showing the UI because it is changing slightly, but when I get to a computer I'll post some examples to show you.  Just beat in mind it's not a finished polished UI yet.  

Absolutely brilliant Kevin. Many thanks.

On 5/24/2024 at 3:07 PM, Cpt_Piett said:

Here's Gatwick to Frankfurt:

Nice video. And what a great immersive ATC environment provided by VoxATC!

You used Active Sky Live Weather which lead to a runway change after your CTD - which is one of the reasons I always use historic weather. Doesn't VoxATC support Active Sky historic weather? That would be a dealbreaker for me.

What strikes me in your video is that you are very busy flying your aircraft in particular during the missed approach and setting up the hold and the new approach. Nevertheless you keep talking to ATC yourself at the same time. That is very unrealistic. It is the job of the pilot monitoring to handle ATC. Doesn't VoxATC has an option for a virtual copilot to automatically handle ATC? This would be a dealbreaker for me as well.

 

7 minutes ago, RALF9636 said:

Nice video. And what a great immersive ATC environment provided by VoxATC!

You used Active Sky Live Weather which lead to a runway change after your CTD - which is one of the reasons I always use historic weather. Doesn't VoxATC support Active Sky historic weather? That would be a dealbreaker for me.

What strikes me in your video is that you are very busy flying your aircraft in particular during the missed approach and setting up the hold and the new approach. Nevertheless you keep talking to ATC yourself at the same time. That is very unrealistic. It is the job of the pilot monitoring to handle ATC. Doesn't VoxATC has an option for a virtual copilot to automatically handle ATC? This would be a dealbreaker for me as well.

 

Activesky historic - not tested a lot but think we can find some way to make it work

Yes Vox has a First Officer option so you don't have to handle all the comms

9 minutes ago, RALF9636 said:

what a great immersive ATC environment provided by VoxATC!

That's generally what we are aiming for 😉

7 minutes ago, kevinfirth said:

That's generally what we are aiming for 😉

Another question that comes to mind after watching these latest videos: Why don't you release it?! 😉

Apparently VoxATC is already at least on par with FSHud when it comes to reliabilty of procedures and phraseology, and obviously miles ahead of those so-called ATC addons that are primarily focused on the quality of voices.