I just completed a flight KLAS-KLAX, it was a complete pleasure, I often use this for testing as it's relatively short. Anyway, from gate to gate everything went just beautifully, it respected the restrictions on both SID and STAR, the whole way down the STAR side it kept updating altitude clearance to keep me on track, then handed me to LA Tower at 4000 when I got onto the localizer, the real immersion factor is all the other traffic, Delta, SouthWest, American, Jet Blue, you could hear traffic bound for LAX, SNA, LGB, it was just awesome! After landing it gave me a completely realistic taxi to the United terminal (was a UAL flight), it always has you hold short on runway crossings, I saw no traffic issues on the ground during taxi.

It get's 100% on that flight, I'm really pleased! Great Job!

 

12 hours ago, michdb8 said:

performance is much worse than using the fslt or aig  injectors, that one of the main  problems  that make me stopped use this atc,. the other one is you must have navigrapth subscription every month otherwise you back to use 2021 data. while others atc addons you just buy one month of navigrapth  and  you have enough for a year.  atc addons have to have better performance when injecting ai traffic  that default sim injector which use same code from FSX  ai traffic system from 2006  so if the performance is not better than default  not worth 

Real pilots have monthly subscriptions for charts, I'm not longer actively flying IRL, but if you treat the sim seriously then a Navigraph Ultimate subscription is just required, worldwide charts anytime at your fingertips, with their new SimLink you get moving maps (your plane on the map in your browser), its bliss man. Yes of course there's a performance cost to running FsHud, it's just a question of whether you can pay it. It's worth it for me.

Although I pointed out the need to have an active Navigraph subscription if you want an up 2 date nav database, I consider FSHUD, together with FSLTL, one of my best purchases ever for flight simulation.

For a while it had the additional advantage of working great in both P3D and MSFS.

From update to update, and updates happen at a very reasonable pace, it has been getting even better since I firt tried it around 1 year ago.

9 hours ago, jfv said:

Real pilots have monthly subscriptions for charts, I'm not longer actively flying IRL, but if you treat the sim seriously then a Navigraph Ultimate subscription is just required, worldwide charts anytime at your fingertips, with their new SimLink you get moving maps (your plane on the map in your browser), its bliss man. Yes of course there's a performance cost to running FsHud, it's just a question of whether you can pay it. It's worth it for me.

if you wanna updates navigrapth every month  is ok but  i dont need navigrath updates every month if i never fly in vatsim and all other addons in the sim let you use  any airac you purchased before while in fshud you can only use  the free 2021 data which is too much outdate to be used with free simbrieft airac or you have to pay ever month  navigrapth. if other addons does this why fshud keep this garbage way?

Edited May 30, 20242 yr by michdb8

13 minutes ago, michdb8 said:

why fshud keep this garbage way?

For Accurate Navigation Data?  I don’t know, call me old fashioned I guess…

-B

1 minute ago, btacon said:

For Accurate Navigation Data?  I don’t know, call me old fashioned I guess…

-B

????  i think you dont get how the fshud airac system works at all

fenix, pmdg, beyond atc and say intetions.ai use the normal way where you can use navigrapth  even if you are no subscribed every month.

in my case i always buy navigrapth ounce a year every January and i can use that airac in all the addons  for whole year but fshud in the only addon in all sim where you have to have perma subscription to have airac otherwise  you have to use 2021 airac

10 hours ago, jfv said:

It get's 100% on that flight, I'm really pleased! Great Job!

Several questions:

1) How was your perfomance there?
2) How much traffic did you setup in FSHud?
3) What CPU do you have?

While I like the immersion it gives regarding ATC, the FPS impact ruins it big time. I went back to PF3 because of this.

Edited May 30, 20242 yr by Luis Hernandez

33 minutes ago, michdb8 said:

????  i think you dont get how the fshud airac system works at all

fenix, pmdg, beyond atc and say intetions.ai use the normal way where you can use navigrapth  even if you are no subscribed every month.

in my case i always buy navigrapth ounce a year every January and i can use that airac in all the addons  for whole year but fshud in the only addon in all sim where you have to have perma subscription to have airac otherwise  you have to use 2021 airac

I remembered seing this post by FSHUD .. perhaps explains it although I have no idea why other software can use a more up to date version but FSHUD say they cannot.

The post was:

"Because it is restricted by Navigraph. If you don't have subscription, you can only use very outdated AIRAC 2101 (this is what Navigraph have decided). I guess they have a bit "different" agreement with SimBrief - but we continuously asked them to provide a bit newer AIRAC which wasn't answered."

1 hour ago, michdb8 said:

if you wanna updates navigrapth every month  is ok but  i dont need navigrath updates every month if i never fly in vatsim and all other addons in the sim let you use  any airac you purchased before while in fshud you can only use  the free 2021 data which is too much outdate to be used with free simbrieft airac or you have to pay ever month  navigrapth. if other addons does this why fshud keep this garbage way?

You should point that question to Navigraph not FSHud. They don't allow FSHud to do otherwise. The dev of FSHud has explained that several times.

18 minutes ago, Vel said:

I remembered seing this post by FSHUD .. perhaps explains it although I have no idea why other software can use a more up to date version but FSHUD say they cannot.

The post was:

"Because it is restricted by Navigraph. If you don't have subscription, you can only use very outdated AIRAC 2101 (this is what Navigraph have decided). I guess they have a bit "different" agreement with SimBrief - but we continuously asked them to provide a bit newer AIRAC which wasn't answered."

The problem is that other addons have a specific AIRAC update you have to install yourself. So you can update that AIRAC or choose not to. FSHud is the only addon I know that install its AIRAC update on the serverside and there is nothing you can about it... so it always is the most recent AIRAC or the (too) old free AIRAC.

1 minute ago, RALF9636 said:

You should point that question to Navigraph not FSHud. They don't allow FSHud to do otherwise. The dev of FSHud has explained that several times.

True when it comes to the included free AIRAC. Navigraph only gives ONE free AIRAC for every addon and doesn't renew this. But not true when it comes to the serverside update. FSHud could have opted for a user installable update of the AIRAC but chose differently. I do suppose they have a (hopefully good) reason for this...

Remains the main and simple question, how is the performance regarding builds a year ago for example?
That is why FSHud ended up here local in the virtual bin and as for AIG does it only works with BGL files or the new traffic format?

10 minutes ago, virtualstuff said:

Remains the main and simple question, how is the performance regarding builds a year ago for example?

It is significantly better than it was when I started using it about a year ago. The Performance Balancer feature introduced recently brought another big improvement. Of course there is an FPS hit because FSHud calculates all AI traffic. But overall I don't have performance issues at all. You just have to make your choices just the same as for example with using the Fenix or the more FPS-friendly FBW.

And before anybody asks: I can't give specific numbers because I have my FPS limited in the sim and never look at the FPS numbers.

Edited May 30, 20242 yr by RALF9636

25 minutes ago, RALF9636 said:

You should point that question to Navigraph not FSHud. They don't allow FSHud to do otherwise. The dev of FSHud has explained that several times.

noo!! the question is why the dev used that way to implement airac when all other addons in the sim use different approach  just look how beyond atc, say intetions.ai,  pilot2atc, vox atc works with old airacs and 0 problems. the dev pointing navigrapth fault  in this case is a easy way to escape and not give a solution

Edited May 30, 20242 yr by michdb8

23 minutes ago, RALF9636 said:

You should point that question to Navigraph not FSHud. They don't allow FSHud to do otherwise. The dev of FSHud has explained that several times.

That's nonsense. Navigraph "allowed" P2ATC or BATC to use the currently installed AIRAC (either by using the one installed in MSFS or by installing it directly for the ATC tool). FSHud decided to use the web API  from Navigraph instead, for whatever reason, which of course isn't gonna get them other AIRACs for free.