2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

and nobody should feel secure just because of the logo on their hardware or software.

If that was all there was to it sure.

But when it comes to windows vs mac/linux security - in fact the experience in general, you are basically comparing a trailer park in a suburb of Chicago US with a luxury gated home in Heiligendamm Germany. Its a lot more than "just" the name that makes residents "feel" secure/insecure.

dragging this slippery fish back on topic.

Beta 7, it "feels" like we are getting very close now to a 12.1.0 final, only "showstopper" Im aware of is the deadlock on xp12 ortho water, that is the only thing that makes me say "please dont final this yet" - I guess there is probably a fair bit of issues in the new avionics kit to, but fixing them is probably fine afterwards? Is there anything else promised for 12.1.0 that isn't up to scratch?

10 hours ago, GoranM said:

It's great for gaming.

I would say that in the real world Windows, as far as a deskto/laptop goes, is essential for gaming. 

Edited June 18, 20241 yr by jarmstro

13 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

I would say that in the real world Windows, as far as a deskto/laptop goes, is essential for gaming. 

Not really.

https://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/

Works really well, too.

1 minute ago, GoranM said:

Not really.

https://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/

Works really well, too.

Why bother? If all you do is gaming why use a Mac? Twice the price, lower performance and you need an emulator (which would seem to prove the point) to get a decent catalogue of games to run? 

Just now, jarmstro said:

Why bother? If all you do is gaming why use a Mac? Twice the price, lower performance and you need an emulator (which would seem to prove the point) to get a decent catalogue of games to run? 

Well, ok...if someone only wants a gaming rig, it makes economical sense to just go for a Windows rig.  But for others, who use a Mac to work on, and want the flexibility of combining a gaming PC with their work Mac, Parallels is a good route to go down.

2 hours ago, GoranM said:

with a warning outlining details of the app that is trying to run.  If

Windows does that too if you have security set to such.

26 minutes ago, GoranM said:

Well, ok...if someone only wants a gaming rig, it makes economical sense to just go for a Windows rig.  But for others, who use a Mac to work on, and want the flexibility of combining a gaming PC with their work Mac, Parallels is a good route to go down.

You need both. For my part, when working from home, I use the laptop supplied by those who must be obeyed to work AND my PC to fly to Barcelona at the same time!😂

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

I would say that in the real world Windows, as far as a deskto/laptop goes, is essential for gaming. 

only if cheating in multiplayer games and/or pirating stuff is on your list of requirements.

Otherwise PS5/PSVR2 wins out in every category - not just better (not least because no cheaters) but better value.

Most games only come to PC now as a can also (and the games market is currently in a worst state than flight simulators).

In fact, XP12.1.0 and the forthcoming 12.2.0 are the only "bright spots" there afaik, Aces of Thunder was supposed to be Spring 2024, but is now TBA, chances of MSFS2024 actually launching in 2024 seem pretty slim. no other potentially big titles on the timetable any time soon afaik.

 

Edited June 18, 20241 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

I work with an extremely talented programmer, and he's made his opinion on Windows very clear.  

I don't know the extent of your programming prowess, or what you program, but you're definitely the exception to the rule when it comes to what programmers prefer to work on.  In saying that, I have to question, what is it about Windows that makes it your preferred choice over Linux or Mac? 

I don't doubt that you worked with talented programmers. But it is a myth that all coders prefer linux. I know many coders who would not even consider linux as an option. For many others that gravitated towards a mac, they did so because they needed to use linux utils(in bash/zsh) and MacOSX allowed them to do that with the least amount of pain due to more application support than linux. Others used MacOS because it was required to do iOS development. I'm a former iOS developer as well.  So, yes, some do prefer, linux/mac but not everyone.

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

Seriously, I can't see anything, other than being limited to Windows dedicated or .net software.  

Funny, I feel the same way about macs nowadays. 

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

What's wrong with MacOS terminal?  It uses zsh on top of Bash, and is easier to use.  

Nothing is wrong with MacOS terminal. I spent a lot of my life there. I use ZSH on windows as my primary terminal now.

2 hours ago, GoranM said:

That's a bit of an isolated and specific example.  I suppose it counts as a security issue, but, to me, it doesn't come into the realm of viruses that can be installed on a PC when downloading software.

Doesn't count until someone takes control of your device and installs whatever backdoor trojan/virus they would like? Security is security.

2 hours ago, GoranM said:

In saying all this, you asked me what I didn't like about Windows, and I told you.  It doesn't make me wrong in my choice.  Apple products give me more security and stability for my purposes.  If I was a gamer, or if I was making add ons for MSFS, obviously I would work on Windows.  

I never said you were wrong. There is no wrong or right answer.  Everyone should use whatever they like, I was simply pointing out that not all coders prefer Linux as the stated.

10 hours ago, mSparks said:

Austin is a mac only guy, that aside, the engine rewrite for XP11.50 made it technically possible,

That is interesting.

4 hours ago, GoranM said:

I encountered so many crashes when baking maps prior to owning a Mac, I was about to take a hammer to my PC.  Then there was the time Blender crashed on me in Windows, and I lost about 5 hours worth of work.  Not to mention the work saver on Mac's.  Time Machine.  I once lost 3 months worth of work on Windows, because I never considered using back up solutions. With Time Machine, I have no concerns.  

I have maybe 3 or 4 crashes on Windows.  Just dead stops.  No backtrace.  Very annoying.

Most of my experiences have been people coding on Mac.  The one's who code on Windows, after asking them why, have said they have to.  Either due to the software they code for, or company policy.  But they'd rather not.

 

I used to manage over a thousand macs in an international company. And I'm the one who moved them from Win to Mac.

Hundreds of terabytes of literally irreplaceable data spread over a dozen countries.

It worked very well, but there were plenty of issues, too. As with Windows, the problem was usually PEBKAC more often than not.

So while I'm a fan, I'm also not partisan.

Well managed endpoints behave well, regardless of the logo.

Edited June 18, 20241 yr by UrgentSiesta

1 hour ago, brinx said:

That is interesting.

https://developer.x-plane.com/2018/06/an-x-plane-road-map-from-flightsimexpo/

I honestly still prefer the ZX Spectrum....

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

chances of MSFS2024 actually launching in 2024 seem pretty slim.

true, chances it will release on MacOS in 2024 seem pretty slim 🤣

 

 

Edited June 18, 20241 yr by turbomax

Jokes apart, I've long been willing to jump into Mac World, but then, it is still an Elite for me - too expensive for my budget of Portuguese Public Service employee 😜 ...

Whenever I think about jumping, usually after trying X-Plane in a fellow iMac Pro, I also think how easier it would turn my uninstaller life into... Only AEFS v4 and XP to uninstall 🙂

Anywayzzzz I like all the civil flightsims now... They're all great, but the best is the one I have installed - this week ! and it's cross-platform... Go guessing ... There's only 3 chances available 🙂