I often spend time in the cruise portion of real world long haul flights sat reading the manuals of my flight sim aircraft on my iPad.

There’s a certain perverse irony to that !

3 hours ago, Bunchy said:

As an individual you could go through your whole life not doing anything environmentally damaging but it makes no difference to the overall climate.

It would take America, Europe, China and India to switch totally to renewables to have any appreciable effect on climate.... I can't believe that will ever happen, unfortunately.

Here is a visualization of where the stuff gets emmited the most:

The video is especially striking because it shows the effect the pandemic with its lockdowns had.

It was CONSIDERABLE.

Edited June 29, 20241 yr by Farlis

Frame cap of 20FPS during cruise phase, set with hot key and RTSS. Drops power by a 200W+, lowers system noise, and reduces wear and tear on system components.

On 6/28/2024 at 1:00 AM, cepact said:

An 8 hour flight with the PMDG 777 means my PC is running hot for 8 hours straight. At the same time I have to turn on the air conditioner to prevent my PC warming my room. I feel guilty to do this just to see pixels moving pretending to fly a plane, it doesn't feel right.

Probably been said, but:

Use time compression.

Or

Don't fly long haul.

Or 

Both

 

I take off, climb to ToC, cruise a couple mins, and then "divert" to the nearest airfield.

1 minute ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Probably been said, but:

Use time compression.

 

the problem with TC is that your pc is using more resources: more watts, more heat, more money.

On 6/29/2024 at 10:45 AM, Farlis said:

It was CONSIDERABLE

And totally unsustainable.

Unless your world view aligns with the Antagonists in Rainbow Six.

On 6/28/2024 at 5:29 PM, JBDB-MD80 said:

I'll just say if I had to use time compression or any other ridiculous tactic to complete a 6 hour or longer flights in a unrealistic shorter way saving time I will just do shorter routes or don't even bother booting up the sim in the first place.

If there was no demand, there would be no feature.

Ain't it great we can all fly the way we want?

Like, I can't understand why so many folks want to fly modern airliners. It's watching a computer fly a plane on a computer...

I prefer to actually fly the plane other than at cruise.

"I agree with the other poster who said this should be in the hangar chat as it has nothing to do with MSFS all its about is energy saving"

MSFS is like a mountain making it's own weather.

15 million people all doing the same thing have an effect like nothing else in flight sim, so I'd argue its a legit post for this forum (too).

31 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

the problem with TC is that your pc is using more resources: more watts, more heat, more money.

A. I'd love to see the math on that.

B. My PC is maxed out during every flight.

I like my eye candy.

So it literally can't use any more power in TC...

Edited July 1, 20241 yr by UrgentSiesta

6 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

the problem with TC is that your pc is using more resources: more watts, more heat, more money.

More watts andthus more heat is only an issue if you either have unmatchy cooling solution or bad OC. And money? Seriously? If I let run my rig full throttle for several hours more, it might be 100€ more... per year... who cares. Even more than using TC might result in four times less hours spent on the rig in total, doubt that TC leads to four times more power consumption...

6 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

the problem with TC is that your pc is using more resources: more watts, more heat, more money.

Have you actually checked your PC’s power draw with time compression? I would seriously doubt that it increases power draw. Time compression simply increases the “delta t” time step in the equations for the flight model, world model, and so on. The amount of power required to compute these models and render the frame is independent of the size of the time step.

On 6/29/2024 at 7:12 PM, Bunchy said:

It would take America, Europe, China and India to switch totally to renewables to have any appreciable effect on climate.... I

More modestly, if our personal approach was to actually participate and contribute our little share to reduce this world problem, we could indeed make a difference. 

Because we must remember that each country is made of ... individuals which we are part of!

2 hours ago, martinboehme said:

Have you actually checked your PC’s power draw with time compression? I would seriously doubt that it increases power draw. Time compression simply increases the “delta t” time step in the equations for the flight model, world model, and so on. The amount of power required to compute these models and render the frame is independent of the size of the time step.

PMDG clearly states that you cannot go over 2X o 4X with TC because your pc will frie. Also the TC is not free from bugs, errors and limits. The energy has high costs here in Italy, and consuming 3000/4000W regularly would be too hard for many sims' wallets. But in my opinion the main problem with TC is that it kills the realism, it's a mere workaround for simmers that need fake long hauls, not simulated ones, because they don't have or don't like the chance to control many hours flights. Few years ago I did long hauls in P3d with the PMDG DC6 crossing the ocean using the sextant and the NDB weather ships, no TC of course. I could do the same thing in MSFS20 using gps navigation and it would be much more realistic because the live weather and smooth weather transitions, better graphics and improved flight dynamics, but consuming more than 400W per hour with my wonderful 3080 + 5900x in these very hot summers is expensive and tiring. But I can choose between many 1/2 or few 8/16 hours flights.

5 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

PMDG clearly states that you cannot go over 2X o 4X with TC because your pc will frie. Also the TC is not free from bugs, errors and limits. The energy has high costs here in Italy, and consuming 3000/4000W regularly would be too hard for many sims' wallets.

Since PMDG offer 8x it might be useful if you pointed out exactly where they say that. As others have pointed out, if your machine is running at 100% that's it, TC isn't going to make it run hotter.

Just FYI since I very much doubt you are running a 3000W PSU - a Watt is a per second unit so 1000W for 3 hours isn't  3000W, it's 3 kWh, or 10.8 MJ

G

30 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

Few years ago I did long hauls in P3d with the PMDG DC6 crossing the ocean using the sextant and the NDB weather ships, no TC of course. I could do the same thing in MSFS20 using gps navigation and it would be much more realistic because the live weather and smooth weather transitions, better graphics and improved flight dynamics, but consuming more than 400W per hour with my wonderful 3080 + 5900x in these very hot summers is expensive and tiring. But I can choose between many 1/2 or few 8/16 hours flights.

I bet (sorry for making accusation...) that you are one of those fellows considering letting sim run for 8h but then walking away from the rig to do zillion other things is "more realistic" than sequeezing 8h into 2h thanks to TC... 

And as others said: if your PC uses 250W for regular flights without TC and it might use 400W when using TC. Do the maths: 8h using 250W compared to 2h using 400W. Which one is using more? 

it is simply ridiculous to talk about "more or less realistic" regarding how long hauls are finally executed. The most realistic version, sitting 8h straight on your rig and just leave it for some coffee or restroom activities anyway nobody really does, so all of us make some compromise in realism for those long haul flights. 

32 minutes ago, Gazzareth said:

Since PMDG offer 8x it might be useful if you pointed out exactly where they say that. As others have pointed out, if your machine is running at 100% that's it, TC isn't going to make it run hotter.

Just FYI since I very much doubt you are running a 3000W PSU - a Watt is a per second unit so 1000W for 3 hours isn't  3000W, it's 3 kWh, or 10.8 MJ

G

Do a search on the PMDG 777 forum, I can't compress my time for you.