31 minutes ago, g-liner said:

It’s the entry code for the flight deck door. The keypad next to the door. Normally someone presses a code outside the flightdeck on the frame and the pilots(s) get a message and then look at the camera and decide whether to unlock the door or deny entry 

Ah.  Okay, well that feature enhancement I would only consider necessary if you (as the developer) are absolutely,  positively, 100% sure that you've nailed every other essential feature and aspect within the normal ops environment.  

8 hours ago, carlanthony24 said:

The little extra detail of actually having a working door code system is crazy not aware of any other developers modelling it. 

What makes you think it'll work?  We certainly didn't see it work in this video.  The mouse cursor hovered over a single digit and then clicked the door to open it immediately.  That's not even close to how the FDAS works. 

Which, I mean, is obviously a very good thing.  It would be beyond irresponsible for a dev to model how the system actually works (not to mention probably illegal, as anyone working with the dev who knows how the system functions would be prohibited from sharing the information by the SSI clause in their manuals.)

This system, btw, is never used for normal flight deck access anyway.  The exiting pilot looks out the viewport and just turns the handle.

Edited August 1, 20241 yr by Stearmandriver

3 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

What makes you think it'll work?  We certainly didn't see it work in this video.  The mouse cursor hovered over a single digit and then clicked the door to open it immediately.  That's not even close to how the FDAS works. 

Which, I mean, is obviously a very good thing.  It would be beyond irresponsible for a dev to model how the system actually works (not to mention probably illegal, as anyone working with the dev who knows how the system functions would be prohibited from sharing the information by the SSI clause in their manuals.)

This system, btw, is never used for normal flight deck access anyway.  The exiting pilot looks out the viewport and just turns the handle.

You did see it work its in the video. Of course its not close. To be honest we don't know how many times it was clicked but still a neat feature. Depends on airline but in the UK we use the keypad entre to gain access then they flick the switch so is used for normal flight. 

Edited August 1, 20241 yr by carlanthony24

There’s even a video, possibly on YouTube, which shows how emergency access can be requested by the cabin crew. In that one (Airbus) access is obtained unless the flight crew deny it by moving the switch to lock within the time limit. 

Edited August 1, 20241 yr by ConstVoid

Moderators….

 

you guys shut down threads because people aren’t being nice to each other but you leave this one open that literally is discussing flight deck security???? Let’s go moderators! You guys should have shut this down a long time ago. Not only that, but delete any threads pertaining to flight deck access systems.

If ifly modeled the system to its entirety, they are unbelievably irresponsible. There’s nothing else to it. 

13 hours ago, B777ER said:

I’ll take the iFly over PMDG for the sounds and EFB. PMDG soundscape is second tier at best and their UFT (EFB) lacks any innovation. Months and months between the UFT release for the 737 and when the 777 released and the only thing they added in all that time was calling their service vehicles with the tablet rather than the FMC and a ridiculous looking ghost hand. They are the BlackBerry phone of flightsim devs.

Not sure why you're praising iFly's EFB. It's an ancient EFB that no one even uses anymore and has a horrible interface. The fact that iFly didn't update it for MSFS 2020 and they're still using those awful fonts on the PFD/MFD displays and low-fps animations tell me this is mostly a port-over with a better cabin. So at best, maybe it's at the same tier as PMDG, but there's nothing mindblowing here. I'd rather take PMDG's Max. 

3 hours ago, ahsmatt7 said:

Moderators….

 

you guys shut down threads because people aren’t being nice to each other but you leave this one open that literally is discussing flight deck security???? Let’s go moderators! You guys should have shut this down a long time ago. Not only that, but delete any threads pertaining to flight deck access systems.

If ifly modeled the system to its entirety, they are unbelievably irresponsible. There’s nothing else to it. 

If it’s public information than why should it be shut down?

23 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

If it’s public information than why should it be shut down?

I doubt it was truly supposed to be public knowledge. My company’s manual explicitly states it’s SSI. Now before you start arguing with me, ask yourself why you consider it public knowledge. Is it because there’s irresponsible people posting YouTube videos or websites on its functions? 
 

you’re statement implies you’re taking an ethical stance that there shouldn’t be any personal responsibility on the part of ifly to leave this system out of its add-ons because there’s already information on the system readily readable. I vehemently disagree. Just because someone can do something doesn’t mean they should. 
 

The real question to ask is if something like this should EVER be public knowledge in the first place and if flightsim developers have a responsibility to do what is right and prevent people from using there products to learn about how to circumvent security measures. 
 

I believe they do and I also believe communities like Avsim should do their part as well.

 

 

Edited August 1, 20241 yr by ahsmatt7

4 hours ago, ahsmatt7 said:

Moderators….

 

you guys shut down threads because people aren’t being nice to each other but you leave this one open that literally is discussing flight deck security???? Let’s go moderators! You guys should have shut this down a long time ago. Not only that, but delete any threads pertaining to flight deck access systems.

If ifly modeled the system to its entirety, they are unbelievably irresponsible. There’s nothing else to it. 

Relax Francis. You can google search the cockpit door security for aircraft in 5 seconds.

37 minutes ago, B777ER said:

Relax Francis. You can google search the cockpit door security for aircraft in 5 seconds.

You can Google how to do any manner of unsafe and illegal things.  Shall we discuss them on a forum that purports to have some level of responsibility?  😂. It's not really public information, as it is covered by SSI clauses in manuals.  Anyone who has released info about it publicly is behaving extremely unprofessionally, not to mention immaturely.

Have some perspective - this is a video game, a toy.  There are things it doesn't need to do.  

7 hours ago, carlanthony24 said:

You did see it work its in the video. Of course its not close. To be honest we don't know how many times it was clicked but still a neat feature.

I mean, it didn't do anything at all so I'm not sure how you can say it worked?  They could have clicked the back of a seat and then the door, and if it opened, did the seat work?  

Edited August 1, 20241 yr by Stearmandriver

5 hours ago, ahsmatt7 said:

Moderators….

 

you guys shut down threads because people aren’t being nice to each other but you leave this one open that literally is discussing flight deck security???? Let’s go moderators! You guys should have shut this down a long time ago. Not only that, but delete any threads pertaining to flight deck access systems.

If ifly modeled the system to its entirety, they are unbelievably irresponsible. There’s nothing else to it. 

Lol what?   On the ATR there’s a button the FA pushes requesting access.  We either accept or deny.  
 

Theres nothing secret about it.  

1 minute ago, ATRguy said:

Lol what?   On the ATR there’s a button the FA pushes requesting access.  We either accept or deny.  
 

Theres nothing secret about it.  

Then we obviously aren't talking about the same system.

57 minutes ago, B777ER said:

Relax Francis. You can google search the cockpit door security for aircraft in 5 seconds.

I’m aware of that. My argument is that is shouldnt be Googleable. 

Loved their P3D 737 so I'm in. Or was it FSX or both?  Was a good alternative to  PMDG.

12 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

would be beyond irresponsible for a dev to model how the system actually works

Oh yes, imagine I lock myself out on my next flight, leaving the option to exit to the main menu and restart the flight