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Anyone know if the ACES team plans to fix FSX?

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SP1 is ok for me but SP2 isn't. Menu freezing.I have no interest in Acceleration.We should not have to pay for an add-on to get the most current update (SP2) either.Anyway I am hoping for an SP3.

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There is no further service pack release planned.Since I don't suffer from the menu freeze, what makes you certain the problem is SP2 and not something like a video driver?

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"We should not have to pay for an add-on to get the most current update (SP2) either."I'm sure others will beat me responding to your frustrations with FSX but you can get SP2 for free on the FSInsider web site. You DO NOT have to purchase Acceleration to get it. Also, I thought the menu freezing problem was caused by bad installation of display drivers. Anyway, it has never happened to me yet and I know several other simmers who have never gotten the problem either. Lastly, SP3 will be FS11 - they are working on it.Best regards,Jim

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Off the top of my head, I thought the menu freezing issue was primarily with FRAPS installed. Didn't Phil even mention this in a recent blog as well?

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>"We should not have to pay for an add-on to get the most>current update (SP2) either.">>I'm sure others will beat me responding to your frustrations>with FSX but you can get SP2 for free on the FSInsider web>site. You DO NOT have to purchase Acceleration to get it.>Also, I thought the menu freezing problem was caused by bad>installation of display drivers. Anyway, it has never>happened to me yet and I know several other simmers who have>never gotten the problem either. Lastly, SP3 will be FS11 ->they are working on it.>>Best regards,>Jim>Yes, I know but Acceleration came out first as far as I know.

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>Off the top of my head, I thought the menu freezing issue was>primarily with FRAPS installed. Didn't Phil even mention this>in a recent blog as well?I don't use Fraps. It's not even installed.I had also re-installed the O/S, etc, etc, then FSX, SP1 and SP2.Had to take SP2 off.

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I also have the menu freeze problem and it is very frustrating and is obviously a major problem for the ACES team to get sorted.

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1)SP2 is a free download from FSInsider. Acceleration is not required.2) There are no further patches for FSX. The team has moved onto FS11. So, if FSX w/SP2 is somehow broken, it will remain broken until you uninstall it and install FS11 (or FS9).HTH,Mike T.

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>I also have the menu freeze problem and it is very>frustrating and is obviously a major problem for the ACES team>to get sorted.The "menu freeze" problem is caused by crappy nVidia driver support and has absolutely nothing to do with FSX or ACES. Period.Absolutely no one using an ATI video card has EVER reported a "menu freeze" problem.Quod Erat Demonstrandum...

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I just loaded SP 2. On the free flight page where the pic of the acf appears there are five horizontal bars and a part of the vert stabilizer appears in every other bar. It appears to build the entire acf but the image is way too large to fit the screen if it all came together. I tried 3 acf. Same problem. Happens in "load flight" also. I know this minor but still a PIA. It didn't recognize my GoFlight MCP. Other 5 modules were OK. The MCP didn't show in GF cfg either. Unplugged the MCP, rebooted and plugged it back in. OK now. May be unrelated.Everything else seems to work OK

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>There is no further service pack release planned.>>Since I don't suffer from the menu freeze, what makes you>certain the problem is SP2 and not something like a video>driver?I am not the only one with the problem.

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>1)SP2 is a free download from FSInsider. Acceleration is not>required.>>2) There are no further patches for FSX. The team has moved>onto FS11. So, if FSX w/SP2 is somehow broken, it will remain>broken until you uninstall it and install FS11 (or FS9).>>HTH,>>Mike T.1. I know.2. If you are correct then I will not waste one more penny on FSX.

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>>I also have the menu freeze problem and it is very>>frustrating and is obviously a major problem for the ACES>team>>to get sorted.>>The "menu freeze" problem is caused by crappy nVidia driver>support and has absolutely nothing to do with FSX or>ACES. Period.>>Absolutely no one using an ATI video card has EVER>reported a "menu freeze" problem.>>Quod Erat Demonstrandum...>If your driver logic was correct then every person in the Universe using a 7950GX2 with the same driver release, as I am, would have the same problem. Right?As far as ATI is concerned there is no proof that every ATI using has never encountered this problem. They all don't belong to the FSX forums do they?If they cared enough ACES and nVidia could easily work out the problem.Anyway, are you saying that you use the sim without using the menu?

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I posted extensive detail on why the delay. You either take me at my word, which has been consistent since I started engaging the community; or not.

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It seems there are still a few of us folks with the infamous NvIdia late 7x to early 8x cards that are still having issues despite the latest drivers. Either we have to upgrade to newer 8x cards, with the appropriate power supply and mother board, or stick with SP1 that will eventually hold us back now that more and more developers (both freeware and payware) are desining for SP2, or stick with FS9. Unless Nvidia can figure out what the issue is with these cards and give us a driver that will work...but, it would seem to me that they've got bigger fish to fry then to mess with the few that have this issue.Oh well...FS11 is only a year or so away ;-)

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>It seems there are still a few of us folks with the infamous>NvIdia late 7x to early 8x cards that are still having issues>despite the latest drivers. Either we have to upgrade to>newer 8x cards, with the appropriate power supply and mother>board, or stick with SP1 that will eventually hold us back now>that more and more developers (both freeware and payware) are>desining for SP2, or stick with FS9. Unless Nvidia can figure>out what the issue is with these cards and give us a driver>that will work...but, it would seem to me that they've got>bigger fish to fry then to mess with the few that have this>issue.>>Oh well...FS11 is only a year or so away ;-)I have one of the first eVGA 8800 GTX cards. I don't have menu freezes.

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I do not believe there has been any communication about FS11 schedules, so that comment is way premature and thus of questionable accuracy.

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Ah, well, he's just wishfull thinking... ;) I'd already be happy if communication about FS11 schedules itself would start within a year or so...! ;)BTW I haven't had problems with the menu ever since SP1. Before that I couldn't touch it without having to wait literally a few minutes before the menu item I clicked on would show. If it ever would... Since SP1, and also with SP2, the menu is quick and smooth and just how it should be with my 8800GTX (using Vista 32 bits).

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Dear Phil and the rest of the Avsim community,In no way was I trying to lead anyone on with my comment of FS11; it was just wishful thinking hence the wink!I didn't mean to make any kind of assumptions, as we all know what the work "assume" means!Sincerelly,Ken LeMayEagle Mountain, UT

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>It also might be particular nvidia cards as I never had this>problem with a 7600gt and I don't with my present 8800.>http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/1b5baf...b9f427f694g.jpg>Yup, have to agree. I have yet to have a menu freeze with my nVidia 8800GTX... I followed David Roch's SP2 install guide and all is good with my FSX installation.Cheers,Chris Porter:-outtaPerthWestern Australia

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Dear Phil,Please, please, explain to the flight simulation community in simple, straight-forward, no beating about the bush or 'avoiding the question' terms how the SP2 menu CTD issue can possibly be Nvidia's fault, when using the very same driver with SP1 works flawlessly and with SP2 it doesn't.And then extend us the courtesy of explaining in equally simplistic terms why if MS, ACES or you personally are not going to issue a further SP fix, that you can't at least help Nvidia to rectify the problem in a new driver release so that we can all get off your case and you can go back to planning FSXI in peace.Would the above really be that difficult for the corporate behemoth that is Microsoft to achieve?Vox

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I wont comment on the tone here except to say I think it is unhelpful to friendly discussion.If a piece of software universally crashed under a circumstance ( like accessing the menu ), that would clearly be the software's fault.The fact that this issue seems to be largely constrained to a single series of hardware from a single vendor is clearly a data point. The fact that the "other guys" hw doesnt suffer from this issue is another data point and one that points to a driver/hw issue. That certainly doesn't guarantee that it is a driver/hw issue, but using Occam's razor that is the most likely answer as it is the simplest answer that explains the problem. I also do not recall this being an issue on the beta.I have had communication with nVidia on this issue, and pointed them to this very forum. I have also pointed people here to the nVidia forums. How many people have gone to the nVidia forums and provided feedback, to take some personal responsibility for being in the loop and driving the issue? The voices of the many mean more than the voices of the one. Really.At some point, this is a driver level investigation that I am not qualified to help with. So beyond making a connection between the issue and the contacts at nVidia I think you misunderstand my role.Lastly, Aces is a big group. Just because I do the most public communication at this time that doesn't translate to everything is my personal responsibility. I'd appreciate that if people kept that in mind.

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I'm running a nvidia 7950 GX2 and have no problems with menu freezing in full screen or windows mode. Using tweakforce 163.71 beta drivers. I did in the beginning have to rma the card because of faulty memory - I wonder if all the problem cards might somehow be related to faulty memory? Just a thought

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