7 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

It's the other way around - preorder numbers have been relatively low, so Asobo asked iniBuilds to make a commitment, which (= iniBuilds committing to MSFS2024 only) in turn did increase the preorder numbers. And which all together made PMDG commit. Like a domino. You'll see other devs following suit within the next week(s).

Compared to my speculation, that reads like a whacky conspiracy theory lol

4 minutes ago, Krakin said:

Compared to my speculation, that reads like a whacky conspiracy theory lol

Why? It's not exactly a deep state-like thing if a company partners with another company and asks them to make a certain move that in the end will be profitable for both of them (MS selling more copies, iniBuilds selling more upgraded aircraft/sceneries). I'm not saying it's an "evil" thing either.

16 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

It's the other way around - preorder numbers have been relatively low, so Asobo asked iniBuilds to make a commitment, which (= iniBuilds committing to MSFS2024 only) in turn did increase the preorder numbers.

There's no evidence or proof of this.

Plus Inibuilds has already given a reason why they're dropping 2020. Or at least why they're dropping the 2020 version of the a350.

Edited November 17, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

3 hours ago, Juliett Alfa Romeo said:

It's no good when a developer doesn't want to or can't solve the problems with their products.

I flew it yesterday morning. It works faultlessly and has done for a while now.

It’s the one PMDG plane that should work fine in 2024. It’s essentially a simple thing; Asobo autopilot, Working Title avionics.

11 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

Got a source for that?

https://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=topsellers

shows MSFS2024 on rank 24 for the most sold games (in the last week IIRC). (That's the current state, I hadn't looked for the rank the weeks before the iniBuilds announcement, so it might have been even more down on the list.) I think I remember MSFS2020 being much higher up the list in the week before release in August 2020, possibly even on rank 1.
Steam doesn't cover XBox sales, though, so all of that is only an indication and not evidence.

Also keep in mind I wasn't saying MSFS2024 sells "badly" in absolute numbers - just that the numbers are relatively low compared to what Microsoft was likely expecting / hoping for.

13 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

just that the numbers are relatively low compared to what Microsoft was likely expecting / hoping for.

How do you know what they're expecting?

Edited November 17, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

3 hours ago, psolk said:

 In fact he was nothing more than fully transparent about what they are facing.  

 

Based on all these years of existence, my experience with his statements, and my opinion, RSR has never been transparent despite giving the impression that he is. What he is experiencing is a challenge that everyone else faces as well. The difference is that other developers manage to cope with it and move on. RSR has always found a way to shift the blame for his shortcomings onto others.

As MSFS2024 is a new platform, how to proceed will be his business decision. 

If I read correctly about this transition, ASOBO mentioned that " Current aircraft and airports that are in Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020), as well as virtually all Marketplace add-ons, will be supported in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024." Also, "Most add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator will work on MSFS 2024 out of the box. The only exceptions are add-ons influencing biomes, modifications to the UI, and some more unusual add-ons. " 

I don't see any statement from ASOBO stating that all add-ons for MSFS2020 to MSFS2024 will work out of the box.

Perhaps this might turn out to be an issue? Will see.

23 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

ust that the numbers are relatively low compared to what Microsoft was likely expecting / hoping for

You need to cite your source for that one too. Is there a post from Jorg or his boss about the sales and preorders I am missing? Especially since the the preorder "bonus" wasn't that great. I am going to preorder tomorrow night but I didn't see any reason to give people my money until we are at launch.

48 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Why? It's not exactly a deep state-like thing if a company partners with another company and asks them to make a certain move that in the end will be profitable for both of them (MS selling more copies, iniBuilds selling more upgraded aircraft/sceneries). I'm not saying it's an "evil" thing either.

Ok maybe "whacky" was a strong word but here's why I think it's unlikely.

Long before ini or PMDG made any announcements about exclusivity, we already had data from the Navigraph survey indicating of 70% of respondents planned to switch to 2024. The excitement for 2024 is very apparent out there so I don't think MS would need the help of iniBuilds or PMDG to drum up interest to that level.

Finally, your scenario would have to come with some sort of monetary guarantee being paid out because devs would potentially lose a ton of potential buyers just to go with 2024 only. The way things are going is pretty obvious even without MS showing anyone preorder numbers and the devs are acting on that.

39 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Steam doesn't cover XBox sales,

It does not cover Microsoft store numbers either, which happens to be where preorders opened up first. For a flight sim to be ranked 24th on steam before release is fantastic for Microsoft. I doubt very much that 2020 ever debuted at rank 1 on steam. Ain't no way unless you can show some proof.

2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

why do YOU keep buying new flight simulators...? 🤣

I've never purchased a new flight simulator sir. I use the one that works for me until I decide there is something better out there, old OR new.

I don't follow trends, fall for hype or get the urge to bend plastic whenever something with the word "NEW" on it appears. 

I purchased FSX Steam Edition 2016, if you could call that new? 

I purchased MS2020 this year in February, yes that's FOUR years after release. 

I purchased P3dv5 in AUGUST this year. I'm not sure how old it was at time of purchase and I don't care. It had something no other sim did. Still does too. 

16 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Randazzo has a reputation among the community, a famous reputation I should say, for writing long winded updates.  To be honest, his long updates have never bothered me much in the past.  But this time, I had to skim through a lot of information until I got to the part where he mentioned whether we would be charged for the upgrade or not 🤣

True but I'd prefer communication, even longer version, instead barely hearing anything from other devs. 

PMDG seems to lose either way for some people. Not saying you do this, FYI. It seems like some people are frustrated when they say too much or if they have responded in a few days. I always feel like their in a lose-lose situation with communication for some people 

2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

It's the other way around - preorder numbers have been relatively low, so Asobo asked iniBuilds to make a commitment, which (= iniBuilds committing to MSFS2024 only) in turn did increase the preorder numbers. And which all together made PMDG commit. Like a domino. You'll see other devs following suit within the next week(s).

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen other devs say they won’t be producing add ons for 2020 anymore.

 I really can’t see how they’d need prompting by Microsoft. 2020 became obsolete the day they announced 2024. Just like P3D when 2020 was announced.

Look around these forums or the official one. Plenty of people saying they won’t purchase 2024 immediately but will wait for their favourite add ons to be compatible with it.

Very, very few saying they definitely will not buy it.

Why carry on making stuff for MSFS 2020? There will be very few sales. If you’re waiting a few weeks or months until you transfer to the new version are you really going to keep spending on 2020?

It seems unlikely….

3 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

It's the other way around - preorder numbers have been relatively low, so Asobo asked iniBuilds to make a commitment, which (= iniBuilds committing to MSFS2024 only) in turn did increase the preorder numbers. And which all together made PMDG commit. Like a domino. You'll see other devs following suit within the next week(s).

Nope.

2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Why? It's not exactly a deep state-like thing if a company partners with another company and asks them to make a certain move that in the end will be profitable for both of them (MS selling more copies, iniBuilds selling more upgraded aircraft/sceneries). I'm not saying it's an "evil" thing either.

IniBuilds doesn't move the needle nearly as much as you think they do.

People are going to buy v2024 because they want the new sim, NOT because they want a payware 350.