RSR said their goal is a 2020 release for the 77f, braring a problem:

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Note that I am leaving the door open to not releasing the 777F for MSFS2020 at all? I think it is unlikely we will take that step- but the option is also on the table because we are still trying to sort out how complex it will be to offer a brand new product on both platforms at the same time, with one option being compatible on both platforms and the other being only on one platform but having greater features... Developmentally this can get complex, but from a customer-product relationship standpoint- it is just not a pleasing situation.... We prefer that your relationship with PMDG and our products be simple and easy to understand, so when there are this many moving parts- it cause me great concern.

We will likely need a few weeks to sort out the details for 777F... so expect more news around the end of the first week of December.

Did PMDG Just Say The Aren't Going to Release More Products for MSFS2020?:
With exception to 777F, we do not anticipate releasing any *new* products on MSFS2020 effective immediately. 

 

 

23 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

So no 77F for MSFS2020? Well why did I expect anything else from RSR, it's just my own fault

  Hmmm...  Never miss a chance to bash RSR even when he never said that...   In fact he was nothing more than fully transparent about what they are facing.  

2 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

Note that I am leaving the door open to not releasing the 777F for MSFS2020 at all? I think it is unlikely we will take that step- but the option is also on the table because we are still trying to sort out how complex it will be to offer a brand new product on both platforms at the same time, with one option being compatible on both platforms and the other being only on one platform but having greater features... Developmentally this can get complex, but from a customer-product relationship standpoint- it is just not a pleasing situation.... We prefer that your relationship with PMDG and our products be simple and easy to understand, so when there are this many moving parts- it cause me great concern.

We will likely need a few weeks to sort out the details for 777F... so expect more news around the end of the first week of December.

Did PMDG Just Say The Aren't Going to Release More Products for MSFS2020?:
With exception to 777F, we do not anticipate releasing any *new* products on MSFS2020 effective immediately. 

 

 

The DC6 left to rot is all I need to remember regarding PMDG support.  Never again.

4 minutes ago, psolk said:

  Hmmm...  Never miss a chance to bash RSR even when he never said that...   In fact he was nothing more than fully transparent about what they are facing.  

 

I will certainly owe you (and him) and apology if the 77F will be released for MSFS2020. Until then: No way I believe that.

6 minutes ago, VeryBumpy said:

The DC6 left to rot is all I need to remember regarding PMDG support.  Never again.

Never did get the advanced tutorials, that were promised either. 

25 minutes ago, VeryBumpy said:

The DC6 left to rot is all I need to remember regarding PMDG support.  Never again.

I remember when the FSX PMDG 737NGX happen to run perfectly fine in P3D V1... until they nobbled it out of spite. 

 

Will PMDG products for MSFS2020 be removed form the PMDG dot com sales page and then only showing  MSFS2024 PMDG products for sale?

Note: PMDG products for P3D are no longer on the PMDG dot com sales page.

 

 

5 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Will PMDG products for MSFS2020 be removed form the PMDG dot com sales page and then only showing  MSFS2024 PMDG products for sale?

Note: PMDG products for P3D are no longer on the PMDG dot com sales page.

I certainly expect this will happen at some point, as it has historically with every other simulator. The only question is the time frame when they stop selling their products for 2020; and I suspect that will be related to their sales on that platform, which will likely fall off a cliff on Tuesday if they have not already.  I am certainly not investing anything further in 2020, and in fact have not purchased anything for it since the summer. 

That said, the only product of theirs I might consider paying an upgrade fee for is the 773. The DC6 seemed to have been kind of abandoned and I am unlikely to fly it much if at all in 2024; the 73s are competent products but lack the kind of refinement I have come to expect; they never reached the potential of 2020. I have not flown them for many many months and don't miss them. I might just pick up the 77F and call it a day for long haul flights, something I rarely do in the sim. 

10 hours ago, longhaul747 said:

One thing I hope happens is if the NG gets redone for FS2024 and they expect me to pay for it I would like a non winglet model.  All the other developers are making both versions and PMDG should be doing it as well!   

Did you read the PMDG posts/excerpts?

They're not "redoing" the NG for v2024 because the v2020 version already works in v2024. They anticipate not having to charge for using the current v2020 version in v2024.

There WILL be a fee to get all the new features of v2024 added to the NG, BUT it will be a minor cost. And this is entirely fair because there are a LARGE number of new features in v2024 of which to take advantage.

Your desire for a non-winglet version isn't justified as the v2024 upgrade fee is ONLY about activating features of the sim, and not about activating rarely seen features of the earliest NGs, most of which are retired at this point.

PMDG realizes that in just a few days, sales of their NG for v2020 are going to ramp sharply down to practically nothing. They won't do anything further than perhaps issue compatibility updates for v2020 for, just as with Prepar3D sales, there simply won't be enough money in it to justify the ongoing development expense.

7 hours ago, Juliett Alfa Romeo said:

Very worrying, but expected as I've always said...

I didn't like reading the "news" regarding the DC-6.

Can't understand what about that post could reasonably be considered to be "very worrying".

The DC-6 was extremely popular when it came out for v2020. But you've got to remember that at that time there was perhaps one other high fidelity addon available for the sim. THAT's what made it so hugely popular.

Now that there are so many Hi Fi addons available, only a small percentage of folks are interested in the old piston props. Having ridden in a few myself, I personally love the old gals, but even I don't fly it any longer as I get my piston fix with the DCS warbirds.

7 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

100% agree. I currently run 3 sims on my pc with almost every pmdg product spanned across them. I'm not running FOUR. PMDG might as well announce an Asobe /Xbox partnership the way this is going. 

Wait until the 737 /777-300er have fully working 2024 versions then I am fully confident they will immediately delete ALL 2020 products from their store page. They did it with their p3d products this year, the precedent has been set already. 

If it bothers you so much, why do YOU keep buying new flight simulators...? 🤣

And you're right: PMDG will stop selling versions for previous sims when the cost of doing so exceeds the profits. Just like EVERY other dev has.

We'll see if it takes them another 4 years to do so, which is an eminently reasonable time frame for "classic" simmers to get their copies.

Oh, and don't forget that anyone who already owns the legacy sim versions is still entitled to support, etc.

Not a bad deal at all.

3 hours ago, GGLurch_2 said:

I'm not sure about this and blaming PMDG - My feeling is more on Asobo spitting into the soup of multiple devs here.

Fenix just released their complete A3xx package, TFDi MD-11 was just released 4 month ago, Aerosoft A330 was a panic release, iFly just released the MAX, Bluebird 757 did not manage a release prior the MS2024, Majestic Dash8 - haven't heard anything lately, A2A managed a single release and even Carenado had a limited output in my opinion. Maybe constantly changing SDKs and locked sim-variable access (looking at HiFi and the weather engine) hasn't help with the developing of high fidelity projects neither. But obviously - study level aircraft need a lot of development time. And now after 4 years, Asobo is changing the base Sim. Furthermore, most of the devs are obviously not in the warmth like iniBuilds with (in my opinion) very late access to the new sim to even evaluate the compatibility of their respected products. (as indicated by multiple statements lately).

So - that a lot of devs are looking at their approach here and also maybe slowing things down to get a better look at MS2024 i can actually understand. Same for me personally - I have a good set-up now with the planes i like, a decent ATC solution incl. traffic control, a nice Navigraph/SimBrief integration and really good performance. I will not change to MS2024 before I can get a similar result. This approach will also help me to evaluate additional costs for possible upgrades of my existing add-ons. So - I'll wait with a beer in my hand and watch this thing unravel. I can probably wait for the first MSFS2024 Steam sale as I did with 2020.

 

Asobo are doing the smart thing and responding to the obviously significant demands of the majority of their paying customers to continually improve the sim.

The various 3rd Party Devs need to do the same, because Asobo isn't in the biz to enable the 3PDs, nor the other way 'round.

Considering how vastly Asobo have improved v2020, the giant step forward v2024 represents, and how they have vastly improved the fidelity level of their own aircraft addons, WE, the customers, are benefitting the most. And that is exactly how it should be since WE'RE the ones funding EVERYTHING.

Asobo is NOT changing the base sim - you have only to look at the statement of PMDG themselves, as well as many other devs. v2024 is an UPGRADE of v2020, not a change. And anyone who's properly coded their aircraft won't have an issue bringing their addons forward.

It's all good to wait until things are at a stage where the environment meets your particular desires - because this is supposed to be a fun, entertaining, satisfying experience.

But it's not okay to act like Asobo is causing harm by advancing their own product and serving the desires of their own customers BETTER than any other flight sim dev has in the entire history of flight sim dev. 😉

I have a good feeling MS shared preorder numbers with some of these devs. PMDG and iniBuilds are moving forward and not looking back. You only do that when you're pretty sure your current userbase is moving over to the next platform 

4 minutes ago, Krakin said:

I have a good feeling MS shared preorder numbers with some of these devs. PMDG and iniBuilds are moving forward and not looking back. You only do that when you're pretty sure your current userbase is moving over to the next platform 

It's the other way around - preorder numbers have been relatively low, so Asobo asked iniBuilds to make a commitment, which (= iniBuilds committing to MSFS2024 only) in turn did increase the preorder numbers. And which all together made PMDG commit. Like a domino. You'll see other devs following suit within the next week(s).

3 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

It's the other way around - preorder numbers have been relatively low, so Asobo asked iniBuilds to make a commitment, which (= iniBuilds committing to MSFS2024 only) in turn did increase the preorder numbers. And which all together made PMDG commit. Like a domino. You'll see other devs following suit within the next week(s)

Got a source for that?