Microsoft always has the option of just shutting FS down if it is not performing well and too much trouble and expense to fix it. They've done it before and businesses do such things all the time. They could also sell it, but I doubt that would happen. Keep the possibility open of a clean slate restart 10 or 20 years from now.

3 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

You may be correct, but why did my FPS immediately jump up to previous levels, from a 25-30% loss before I changed servers?

It is not possible to say; maybe your connection to that server was "slow" maybe changing that server affects other connections or gives causes your connection to bump up.  The thing to remember is that MSFS does not use a single server, its various services (weather, traffic, scenery, authentication, etc.) are on different servers and cloned in various regions around the world. I think sometimes we forget how much complexity there is behind the devices we use and reduce problems to oversimplified explanations like their server is slow, which is so oversimplified it is inaccurate or unhelpful. 

Microsoft has over 4 million servers in use around the world, subdivided into dozens of regions, and a storage capacity in the exabyte range -- that is a billion gigabytes. The last report from Cisco I saw anticipated just under 5 exabytes of data is being streamed every day in the world. MSFS is so small it is not even remarkable.

19 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

You may be correct, but why did my FPS immediately jump up to previous levels, from a 25-30% loss before I changed servers?

 

Probably when you backed out of your current flight to the data menu and then relaunched the flight, the sim may have redownloaded its list of active servers and connected to a different data center. The data streams are all encrypted so you can’t tell for sure which does what by using a packet sniffer like Wireshark, but as I mentioned, the streaming scenery comes from a TCP/IP connection with a high rate of incoming packets. For me, that is usually an Azure data center in either Redmond, WA or Portland OR, but sometimes it comes from Azure in Chicago. (I am located in the US East Coast). There are also usually connections to Azure/Playfab in New York, New Jersey or Virginia, though those connections don’t have as much continuous traffic

 

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by JRBarrett

Well, I'm still a P3Dv5 user. I like the fact that it's not server dependent and can be used offline with no scenery degradation issues. I'm having a new machine built with 2 separate operating systems, so I can have both P3D and MSFS 2024 installed with no issues. I plan to buy MSFS 2024, but it will be a while before I take the plunge. The server issues seem to be what many people are concerned about. Also, from what I've been reading, you need to have an internet speed of at least 100 mps for the scenery to load smoothly while flying. I'm hoping this sim will function as a true flight simulator instead of just a "game". Have a good one.

1 hour ago, CO2Neutral said:

What I see is failure in a business based around technology that can’t be delivered reliably.

After four days?

41 minutes ago, tamba765 said:

The server issues seem to be what many people are concerned about.

It has been four days, two of which I have had good performance.

42 minutes ago, tamba765 said:

I'm hoping this sim will function as a true flight simulator instead of just a "game"

It doesn't sound like you have been reading from good sites, otherwise that wouldn't be on your mind.  I find it odd that the inclusion of new features means to some the simulation side will suffer - it hasn't as the flight model has been improved.

44 minutes ago, tamba765 said:

I plan to buy MSFS 2024, but it will be a while before I take the plunge.

Why, your PC isn't going to self destruct?  All you will achieve is a delay to the new features 😉

All I can say is that this thread has been posted by a guy who lives in the same area of the world as me and must be getting the same data from the exact same source servers as I am. 

I have been in and out of the sim at least a dozen times over the last 24 hours with no issues at all, just setting up my controllers and getting my gear working reasonably well.

I took off for the first time from EGGD this morning, flew over Avonmouth, on towards the Severn bridges, (love the dirty water in the estuary) looped back over Bristol and on towards the lake before turning right and landing back at EGGD. It was a great flight, no stutter, no blurred textures and some impressive PG around the docks.

The only problem I had was scenery assets at the flight school popping in and out when I was parking up, not sure what that was but no doubt in time it will be sorted out.

Yesterday I used the drone and flew around the lake district to see if my tree mod scenery works (it doesn't as it happens) but again no issues at all, no stutter, no blurred textures and some impressive changes to the quality of the fells and rock formations.

With a solid reliable broadband connection it works well.

The sims been out 5 short days, disappointment at this stage? Not for me, its about what I expected and the potential is clearly there.  

 

 

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by cbcdesign

1 hour ago, TASCHMANN said:

The idea is you just keep doing releases like these until people stop actually expecting a working sim--then everyone is "grateful" for what they have instead of expecting what they paid for...a working sim.

What a very odd way to look at a day one server issue.

 

2 hours ago, TASCHMANN said:

no one seems able to explain what the real advantages are to be gained

Seriously , you must have been living under a rock to miss what the advantages are.

 

2 hours ago, TASCHMANN said:

going through the considerable time and trouble for just another sim

Considerable time and trouble?  What would that be then?  It installed quickly after day one, and apart from some teething problems with streaming there hasn't been any 'trouble'.

7 minutes ago, cbcdesign said:

All I can say is that this thread has been posted by a guy who lives in the same area of the world as me and must be getting the same data from the exact same source servers as I am

Actually, I’m not sure that the OP even has MSFS2024 installed?

15 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

It has been four days, two of which I have had good performance.

There's been issues today though...

Its five days after launch! I suspect it will take a couple of weeks of careful monitoring for them to get the server balance right.

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by cbcdesign

24 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

After four days?

For years. We have had lost connection/low bandwidth issues for years. Sometimes they were gone for months, then suddenly it started all over again.

3 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Only frustrating for those with no patience at all.  I was up and running 24 hours after release and I can say my life was not negatively affected by not flying in the sim for 24hours.  I am very much enjoying exploring the world in the 2024 and experiencing the improved features.

Perhaps its the new 'woke' world we live in, where the world ends for some when their favourite toy doesn't work for a day.

Are you kidding me? Patience? Woke? What are you babbling about? Are you the one trolling this thread now?

Install took 20 minutes. Easy. That part was, you're right about something.

Setting up controls that kept getting deleted, CTD's, globe spinning endlessly (with no head tracking), poor resolution with excellent internet connection? Nah. My experience is different. I spent a good several hours the last few days just trying to save a profile (using several youtube videos to help) to no avail. All default. Reinstall helped once but then a default plane looked like it was from the old fs days with very low resolution.

Not sure why "woke" or whatever has anything to do with these. Instead of making ridiculous blanket statements of being "woke" maybe focus on the fact that some have different experiences.

Oh, used 2020 today for several flights without any issues.

I digress as I do look forward to 2024 improving its many, many features. Hopefully sooner than later.

 

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by Sonosusto

The biggest proof of them listening would be the announcement of a fully functional weather radar with tilt function and terrain echo reflection... 😉

13 minutes ago, Sonosusto said:

Are you kidding me? Patience? Woke? What are you babbling about? Are you the one trolling this thread now?

Install took 20 minutes. Easy. That part was, you're right about something.

Setting up controls that kept getting deleted, CTD's, globe spinning endlessly (with no head tracking), poor resolution with excellent internet connection? Nah. My experience is different. I spent a good several hours the last few days just trying to save a profile (using several youtube videos to help) to no avail. All default. Reinstall helped once but then a default plane looked like it was from the old fs days with very low resolution.

Not sure why "woke" or whatever has anything to do with these. Instead of making ridiculous blanket statements of being "woke" maybe focus on the fact that some have different experiences.

Oh, used 2020 today for several flights without any issues.

I digress as I do look forward to 2024 improving its many, many features. Hopefully sooner than later.

 

You want to hear something stupid, ask him to define "woke",,,😉