Hmm, I'm rather sad this week, like everyone else, I've been looking forward to 2024 being released and getting stuck into exploring this exciting new sim. As we all know, it's been dogged with issues, some small, some not so small and some major! The next weeks and months will show exactly what Asobo are made of. By that, I mean will they or will they not listen to the simming community and mend, repair and rethink the release of what should have been the best flight sim to date? I don't think this is the time for simmers who have parted with hard earned cash to 'hold back' on their complaints and show of displeasure, I think it's a time for Asobo/MS to listen hard to their customers and sort things out.

8 minutes ago, Rocky_53 said:

The next weeks and months will show exactly what Asobo are made of.

it's also Microsoft's reputation that is here at stake, and not only for 2024 but for their much larger Xbox franchise. they have released many updates for 2020, if critical sometimes even within days, so I have no reason to assume it would be any different for 2024, especially after such a bad start. I want a major overhaul to 2024 before christmas, so we can put this to rest, enjoy MSFS 2024 as it was presented in the pre-release videos and we all will pretend nothing has happened. 😃

Ephesians 4:32 - Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another

Unfortunately, my impression is that "we are listening" only applies when what is being said fits into the development plan. How else can it be explained that there are still numerous unfulfilled wishlist items and open bug reports with many votes, while I am still looking for the thread in which more pebbles or more animals were requested.
Compared to previous simulators, the feedback options are clearly better, and many are taken into account, but the limits are also becoming increasingly clear.

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by Tom_L

3 minutes ago, Tom_L said:

Unfortunately, my impression is that "we are listening" only applies when what is being said fits into the development plan. How else can it be explained that there are still numerous unfulfilled wishlist items and open bug reports with many votes, while I am still looking for the thread in which more pebbles or more animals were requested.
Compared to previous simulators, the feedback options are clearly better, and many are taken into account, but the limits are also becoming increasingly clear.

Good point Tom. I too am a little sceptical.

The experience I had in the last couple of days with servers profound effect on the Performance of MS 2020, has convinced me without any doubt, that the servers are the key as to how this sim runs on my PC. I instantly went from FPS average of around 35-47 to 12-ro 24, and scenery looking like I was off line, just from Asobo's US server undergoing some sort of change. An entire day of troubleshooting, and I found out that by changing to the  North Europe server in MSFS, immediately brought my former decent performance back. 

Now the reason for me posting this, is it seems that the servers that Asobo is using are the Achilles heel, of how well either 2020 or 2024 run on your PC. You can instantly go from great performance, visuals and FPS, to everything going into the dumpster, if someone throws a switch at the MS Server.  That is unsettling.

They have always listened during the last 4 years. Not necesarrily to everything we'd like though, but lots of improvements were made on community feedback.

It is however clear that they have hard time prioritizing and REMEMBERING. 

Take the lack of developer tools for WASM/C++ that PMDG talked about upon release of MSFS2020. They forgot them back then, and added them later.

Guess what they forgot again this time? 

How is stuff like that even possible?

Will they listen? Yes
Will they act upon what they hear? That's the key question.

13 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

The experience I had in the last couple of days with servers profound effect on the Performance of MS 2020, has convinced me without any doubt, that the servers are the key as to how this sim runs on my PC. I instantly went from FPS average of around 35-47 to 12-ro 24, and scenery looking like I was off line, just from Asobo's US server undergoing some sort of change. An entire day of troubleshooting, and I found out that by changing to the  North Europe server in MSFS, immediately brought my former decent performance back. 

Now the reason for me posting this, is it seems that the servers that Asobo is using are the Achilles heel, of how well either 2020 or 2024 run on your PC. You can instantly go from great performance, visuals and FPS, to everything going into the dumpster, if someone throws a switch at the MS Server.  That is unsettling.

Absolutely Bob. I remember being concerned when it was revealed that most of 2020 would be streamed, or at least the scenery, prior to it's release. I questioned back then about the sim's reliability under those conditions. I put any concerns to one side, as everyone was telling me 'it's the future' blah blah. I wasn't convinced back then and I'm not convinced now. OK, I guess in the grand scheme of things, 2020 works reasonably well, but there are still many reports about lost connections and bandwidth issues. Which is rather strange to think that Asobo/MS being aware of the problems of streaming, that they go onto develop a sim which is even more reliant on streaming data! I feel that the whole streaming thing that we're being 'sold,' is not for the benefit of the customer, but for the benefit of the developer/producer. 

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by Rocky_53

15 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I found out that by changing to the  North Europe server in MSFS, immediately brought my former decent performance back. 

hey, you, get off of my cloud!

 

20 minutes ago, Farlis said:

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Take the lack of developer tools for WASM/C++ that PMDG talked about upon release of MSFS2020. They forgot them back then, and added them later.

Guess what they forgot again this time? 

How is stuff like that even possible?

Because Asobo are Amatuers and continue to prove it time and time again, this is just one of those data points that support this claim. 

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by UAL4life

The accepted definition of "Marketing" as made by Peter Drucker - the inventor of the science - is

"The Right Product - in the Right Place -at the Right Time - at the Right Profit" -??

MS score on 1 and a 1/2 - guess - with 15 million users - which scores the 1 -??

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by jaytee73

Very frustrating. Good thing we all kept our 2020 install, yeah? 😅

I will head back there for a while until Asobo can get their stuff together.

2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

An entire day of troubleshooting, and I found out that by changing to the  North Europe server in MSFS, immediately brought my former decent performance back. 

You cannot select which server delivers content in-game. The selectable server is only for multiplayer - nothing else. The content delivery server(s) are automatically chosen based on the geographic location of your internet connection. The only way to change that is to use a VPN that makes your internet connection appear to be in another geographic location.  

I suspect the whole thing is like that because 2024 was not built on top of "up to date" 2020 but by modifying original base code. Therefore all 2020 "improvement" are pretty much lost at the moment. We have 2020 sim version 2 with supposedly enhance based. While I understand some frustration there are things that much better (even with all bugs) comparing with original 2020 release. If Asobo continue support 2024 with the same passion I suspect improvement will be coming up in much faster pace than with 2020.

2 hours ago, Rocky_53 said:

I mean will they or will they not listen to the simming community and mend, repair and rethink the release of what should have been the best flight sim to date?

Rethink what?  They were caught out by the first day demand, but things have improved greatly since then.  Will they 'mend, repair'  2024?  Of course they will, why wouldn't they?