On 30/1/2025 at 9:40, jcomm said:

¿Te referías a XP12 o MSFS en tu primera frase anterior?  😁

Honestamente me gustan ambos, por diferentes razones.

En XP12 o MSFS la clave es seleccionar los complementos adecuados para satisfacer nuestras necesidades y deseos.

En este punto puedo resumir lo que prefiero en cada plataforma como:

- ATC predeterminado en X-Plane 12;

- Dinámica general de vuelo / sensación de vuelo en X-Plane 12, especialmente los rotativos, pero no solo...

- Coherencia del paisaje y el clima con los datos RW en MSFS 2024;

- Muchas de las funciones integradas que hacen que construir un vuelo y volarlo sea muy sencillo en MSFS 2024

- Número de aeronaves y tipos predeterminados que pueden ofrecerle al jugador más casual mucho con qué jugar sin gastar dinero adicional en MSFS 2024;

Utilizo los Tolisses y algunos helicópteros en X-Plane 12, el FENIX y los Inibuilds 330 y 321N predeterminados en MSFS 2024. En X-Plane 12 lo mejoré con SimHeaven Europe, AutoOrtho, Traffic Global y xEnviro. En MSFS 2024, las mejores mejoras para mí son BATC o FSHUD (actualmente más BATC que FSHUD) para la inyección de tráfico de ATC e IA, y RealTurb v2 con o sin Active Sky FS para mejorar aún más la representación del clima y algunos efectos.

Ambas plataformas me gustan, a veces estoy más tiempo jugando en una que en la otra, pero luego voy alternando.

Aún así, si tuviera que elegir solo uno, ahora mismo mi elección sería MSFS 2024, sinceramente, probablemente porque empecé a jugar el modo Carrera y me parece muy divertido 🙂

 

 

I don't understand how you can prefer 2024 over xplane someone like you who understands quite a bit about climate. I have flown these stormy days with light aviation in 2024 and it is totally disappointing live weather, 0 turbulence when going through storm clouds it is the same going through deep storm clouds in a cessna 152 it doesn't even ruffle its feathers.

I guess with some addon this could improve but I do not know to what extent an addon like realturb can distinguish the cloud of Son Goku to a proper CB (I do not know if MFS is able to represent CB).

I haven't seen ice formation either and these days in the Iberian Peninsula have been hard days.

Tell me what am I missing and how can I improve this please?

Edited February 1, 20251 yr by Aglos77

7 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

I don't understand how you can prefer 2024 over xplane someone like you who understands quite a bit about climate. I have flown these stormy days with light aviation in 2024 and it is totally disappointing live weather, 0 turbulence when going through storm clouds it is the same going through deep storm clouds in a cessna 152 it doesn't even ruffle its feathers.

I guess with some addon this could improve but I do not know to what extent an addon like realturb can distinguish the cloud of Son Goku to a proper CB (I do not know if MFS is able to represent CB).

Yes, I use RealTurb and ASFS and that makes a difference.

And yes, icing isn't modelled as well as in Xp12, although it can be "fine tuned" like some aircraft have it.

 

38 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

I don't understand how you can prefer 2024 over xplane someone like you who understands quite a bit about climate. I have flown these stormy days with light aviation in 2024 and it is totally disappointing live weather, 0 turbulence when going through storm clouds it is the same going through deep storm clouds in a cessna 152 it doesn't even ruffle its feathers.

I guess with some addon this could improve but I do not know to what extent an addon like realturb can distinguish the cloud of Son Goku to a proper CB (I do not know if MFS is able to represent CB).

I haven't seen ice formation either and these days in the Iberian Peninsula have been hard days.

Tell me what am I missing and how can I improve this please?

Should have tried flying out ou ybtl Townsville today. Rain, storms, lightning. That kept me on my toes in twotter.

33 minutes ago, jcomm said:

Sí, uso RealTurb y ASFS y eso hace la diferencia.

Y sí, la formación de hielo no está tan bien modelada como en Xp12, aunque se puede "ajustar" como lo hacen algunos aviones.

 

How I can   configure realturb + active Sky for realistc experience ?

Edited February 1, 20251 yr by Aglos77

42 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

How I can   configure realturb + active Sky for realistc experience ?

I'm using pretty much default settings on both.

Look I really want to like 2024 and I'm not saying that for you guys, I've complained about how bad the live weather is that years ago they promised to improve it and everyone recommends me the same thing buy two addon as a solution. The sad thing is that most who make me that recommendation are the ones who say they don't want to install two simple addon to have a decent ground in xplane (sim Heaven+ Map enhacement/auto ortho).

That yes the deer and jungles in semi desert climates like in alicante very nice.

2 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

Look I really want to like 2024 and I'm not saying that for you guys, I've complained about how bad the live weather is that years ago they promised to improve it and everyone recommends me the same thing buy two addon as a solution. The sad thing is that most who make me that recommendation are the ones who say they don't want to install two simple addon to have a decent ground in xplane (sim Heaven+ Map enhacement/auto ortho).

That yes the deer and jungles in semi desert climates like in alicante very nice.

In order to enjoy weather in X-Plane 12 I have to use either ASXP or xEnviro.

xEnviro I only purchased this last Christmas, after years avoiding it ... But so far I like what it does for X-Plane 12. Are xEnviro or ASXP12 perfect? Not even by far, but they offer, in some aspects, better results than the default weather.

OFC just has it happened with ATC, maybe default weather keeps getting better & better to the level that I no longer need any external weather injector.

For ATC for instance I am now fine with the default, and just as you for scenery I add SimHeaven and AutoOrtho.

For Traffic, JF Traffic Global is good enough for me.

1 hour ago, jcomm said:

Para disfrutar del clima en X-Plane 12, tengo que usar ASXP o xEnviro.

Compré xEnviro la pasada Navidad, después de años evitándolo... Pero hasta ahora me gusta lo que hace por X-Plane 12. ¿Son xEnviro o ASXP12 perfectos? Ni de lejos, pero ofrecen, en algunos aspectos, mejores resultados que el clima predeterminado.

A OFC le pasó exactamente lo mismo que a ATC, tal vez el clima predeterminado sigue mejorando cada vez más hasta el punto de que ya no necesito ningún inyector de clima externo.

Para ATC, por ejemplo, ahora estoy bien con el valor predeterminado, y al igual que tú para el escenario, agrego SimHeaven y AutoOrtho.

Para el tráfico, JF Traffic Global es suficiente para mí.

To me the default weather of xp12 seems adequate, everything in life has room for improvement and we all know that there are errors such as variable wind etc, but the flying sensations are far ahead of MFS and its default weather.

Flying the other day over the Iberian peninsula in the middle of a squall with a cessna and not needing to change course and altitude going through all the storm fronts as if it were a knife through butter gave me the feeling of being in a big car thief not in a flight simulator.

I was very surprised because I gave it for improved for a long time, Asobo already said that the weather was very important for them in several videos and media that all this would improve in SU12 (we are going for the 15th in mfs2020) and 2024 is still the same, if your word is not worth anything or you are not interested in improving at least open the api to third parties.

These things are what make xplane still my reference simulator, with a very small team they focus on improving what really matters to me, I prefer turbulence to

deer.

 

 

On 1/9/2025 at 7:05 PM, mjrhealth said:

Nothining. Already is. One sim is enough, dont have enough money to throw at 3 or for different ones. Like having 3 girlfriends, 

Well, I've got three flight sims and... Oh, yeah.

 

If you had a 16 year old grandchild, which sim would you buy for them as a present?

10 hours ago, The_Flying_Potato said:

If you had a 16 year old grandchild, which sim would you buy for them as a present?

MSFS 2024 without even thinking twice...

If he was 20+ at the University studying Physics, Math, Aero Engineering or the like then X-Plane 12 without thinking twice...

If he was thinking about or already into glider flying, then Condorsoaring v3 without thinking twice...

For me my preferred, all taken into consideration, all factors, cost vs benefit, how enjoyable I find using it after all, basically if I had to choose only one of the three, MSFS 2024 would be my choice right now.

Edited February 4, 20251 yr by jcomm

21 hours ago, The_Flying_Potato said:

If you had a 16 year old grandchild, which sim would you buy for them as a present?

No prior flightsim experience? FS2024. In a heartbeat.

On 2/4/2025 at 12:47 AM, The_Flying_Potato said:

If you had a 16 year old grandchild, which sim would you buy for them as a present?

If he was a typical casual-gamer but not especially interested in aviation: MSFS, so that he uses it at least for one week (like most of the users - see the huge drop of users after a few days). Otherwise XP without a doubt.

On 2/4/2025 at 12:47 AM, The_Flying_Potato said:

If you had a 16 year old grandchild, which sim would you buy for them as a present?

It depends on the case.
If your nephew has an Xbox with a fiber connection, you give him FS2024.
If he has a PC without a fiber connection, you give him XP12.
If he has a PC with a fiber connection, you give him FS2024 or XP12, there is no difference.
In both cases, know that you are giving him two flight simulators, not two arcade games, so if your nephew is not inclined to study flight procedures, it is better to leave these simulators alone, give him a real arcade game and that's it.
If he wants to learn flight procedures, however, it does not matter which simulator you give him, FS2024 and Xp12 both have their own methods for teaching you to fly with the default planes, and neither is better than the other.
Actually, if you look closely, Xp12 is much easier to manage and configure than FS2024, so from this point of view it is more arcade, that is, XP12 thanks to its simpler interface is more suitable for "lazy pilots" who do not want to complicate their life by configuring the simulator through a thousand menus and submenus. (For example, configuring the peripherals in FS2024 is a real nightmare, it is enough to drive you crazy, everyone complains about the difficulty of this sim. Even the graphic settings are much more complicated than XP12, there are dozens of selectable options whereas in Xp12 there are only a few sliders to move).

On 4/2/2025 at 0:47, The_Flying_Potato said:

Si tuvieras un nieto de 16 años, ¿qué Sim le comprarías como regalo?

If you are looking for a xplane simulator if you are looking for a MFS video game.

MFS can be a good simulator thanks to third party addons but it's not really Asobo's main focus its main focus is the video game aspect.