6 minutes ago, Keirtt said:

We need some reputable simmers... not some benchmark group that doesn't have a clue what they're doing.

all those around here with a 5090: can anyone rush their card to the Capt. Piett for a day or a night. thatˋs all it takes for him to publish his suite of benchmarks. I am convinced he will happily return it after seeing the results. it was a whole different story 2 years ago when the 4090 came out. had Nvidia made DLSS4 exclusive to the RTX 5000 it would be a different story. but they couldn't this time. AMDs equivalent FSR4 pendant is around the corner and looks just as promising.

9 minutes ago, turbomax said:

I am convinced he will happily return it after seeing the results

Of course I will 😇 But to be 100% serious, I’m into real frames nowadays. Pure, organic, grass fed frames that hasn’t been tampered with by AI. None of this fake stuff. 

13 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I’m into real frames nowadays. Pure, organic, grass fed frames that hasn’t been tampered with by AI. None of this fake stuff.

lol, i'm all about it! I don't care where the frames come, they can come out of my word not allowed for all I care....as long as everything is smooth. Gimme that ultra processed, neon glowing, cancer causing cheese burger 😂 ...and a small fries.

For what 300 FPS, completely useless, and you'll still have stutters and ghosting..

cheers 😉

Where he was getting 60 fps with 9800X3D, 5090, so would I get 60fps with 5800X3D and 4070. 

But he was using 4K, DLSS DLAA and no frame generation. 

I would be using 1440p, DLSS Balanced, and frame generation on.

So mine is far less screen  resolution, two steps down in quality on DLSS, and frame generation. So that's about 1/2 times 1/2 times 1/2 or a total of 1/8 the quality I'm getting in order to run the same fps.

He's getting about 8 times the quality that I am!  😞

Edited February 4, 20251 yr by Fielder

1 hour ago, pmplayer said:

For what 300 FPS, completely useless, and you'll still have stutters and ghosting..

cheers 😉

300 FPS is absolutely useless, but that doesn't mean I don't want it haha. Seriously though, in the worst scenarios, (traffic, heavy scenery, & plane) FPS, even on my system can drop into the low-mid 20's. 4x will ensure  everything at least appears smooth. I also don't think the ghosting/artifacts will really be that bad, at least from the few reviews that are out there...but we need a flight simmer to do some actual testing and vids in situations that we'd be familiar with. If the new DLSS is any indication, I think they did a wonderful job on the software side. I'm not going to focus on absolutely every artifact, simply because they're pretty far and few between. My biggest gripes with 2020 was the smearing using DLSS and the stair step effect with TAA..both of those have mostly been remedied, just with a new version of DLSS. I can only imagine what the new AI can do with frame gen and the hardware. Having said that, I think in this case it makes the most sense to go straight for the top shelf; 32 GB of VRAM alone will likely help reduce bottlenecks.

60 hetz / 60 fps + Lossless Scaling x5 = 300 fps 

For both MSFS 2020 and MSFS 2024

Do I need 300, absolutely not, could I ever get used to 30 with TrackIr and the input lag, absolutely not.  Turns out there is a happy medium LOL

I've been 60 FPS @60Hz since G-Sync and 60 FPS x2 @120Hz since Lossless scaling.  Never had a better simming experience in my life.  

4 hours ago, V1ROTA7E said:

300 FPS is absolutely useless

Yeah, it is, but the futureproofing is nice. What happens when you decide to get a really high-res VR setup and are suddenly driving the equivalent of 2-5 4k monitors instead of that HD one?

I'm sorely regretting having not futureproofed when I bought the 3070Ti a few years ago.

 

9 minutes ago, eslader said:

What happens when you decide to get a really high-res VR setup and are suddenly driving the equivalent of 2-5 4k monitors instead of that HD one?

depends on resolution of the VR system and varies a lot. fps goes down from some 150 down to 45, in my case on a Pimax Crysal Light (16.5 million pixels). that is why I welcome any major progress in GPU technology, like NVidia's recent release of DLSS 4. AI seems to be the way when raw GPU raster improvement seems to have come pretty much to a stand still. unfortunately the 5090's expected 25% fps increase for MSFS won't cut it for me.

I'm getting 35-40 fps crystal light VR. DLSS performance. Render MSFS Medium. Pimax Play resolution 82%, Pimax Upscale on. msfs dynamic resolution ON.

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

depends on resolution of the VR system and varies a lot. fps goes down from some 150 down to 45, in my case on a Pimax Crysal Light (16.5 million pixels). that is why I welcome any major progress in GPU technology, like NVidia's recent release of DLSS 4. AI seems to be the way when raw GPU raster improvement seems to have come pretty much to a stand still. unfortunately the 5090's expected 25% fps increase for MSFS won't cut it for me.

Yeah, if I had a 4080/90 or even maybe a 3090, I'd absolutely not be looking at the 5090. But upgrading from the 3070Ti with its pathetic vram makes more sense than going from a 4090.

I stayed on a 1080Ti until well into MSFS2020 when I got my first VR headset. It was still doable, but I had to turn the sliders overly far down to pull it off. The 2x series cards simply weren't that compelling to me, especially since the only thing they really offered over the 1x series was raytracing and... Eh. It's nice I guess, but certainly wasn't worth the expense of upgrading from what I already had.

 

14 hours ago, Fielder said:

Where he was getting 60 fps with 9800X3D, 5090, so would I get 60fps with 5800X3D and 4070. 

But he was using 4K, DLSS DLAA and no frame generation. 

I would be using 1440p, DLSS Balanced, and frame generation on.

So mine is far less screen  resolution, two steps down in quality on DLSS, and frame generation. So that's about 1/2 times 1/2 times 1/2 or a total of 1/8 the quality I'm getting in order to run the same fps.

He's getting about 8 times the quality that I am!  😞

That is irrelevant if the quality that you see on your screen is good enough for you. I am perfectly happy with MSFS 2020 at 1920x1080 resolution, with no DLSS and no FG on my 24" monitor.

16 hours ago, Keirtt said:

external view gauges

Shudders...... 😖

Only flightsimmers could complain about too much FPS 😂