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In this brave new AI world we're embarking on will a person ever have to get out of bed?

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The "I, Robot" world is just around the corner.

As a septuagenarian I'm not sure whether to be glad I won't be around when this becomes a modus vivendi or whether to regret that I won't be around.

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3 hours ago, birdguy said:

In this brave new AI world we're embarking on will a person ever have to get out of bed?

Noel

A boon for newlyweds.

Hook

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Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;

Astonishing! There must be small people stowed in there somewhere. Here, hold on to my hat, i go looking for them.

When i order mine i want him or her to have two eyes, not one...it creeps me out.  Imagine this robot staring at you with his one eye for one full minute without making any sound or movement...i would start to get nervous and wonder if it wants to kill me.

Imagine confronting the Neanderthals with these robots, what would happen?

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5 hours ago, birdguy said:

In this brave new AI world we're embarking on will a person ever have to get out of bed?

Noel

I'm thinking along the same lines.

It's one thing to have a robot arm perform a repetitive and monotonous task thousands of times a day so that a human being doesn't have to ruin his/her body and endure such drudgery, but pretty soon these robots will be smart and agile enough to replace millions of other jobs.

What are all these other employed people going to do?  Code?  I don't think so, plenty of those folks already.

So we're probably looking at a bunch of feel-good, but unproductive and unnecessary, jobs, or a basic subsistence income along with free housing, food, and utilities for all these newly unemployed folks.  I don't envision robots paying taxes, so how will society afford to pay for this new utopia?

Get ready for population control and resource consumption controls.

The Brave New World is right around the corner.

Dave

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26 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

I don't envision robots paying taxes, so how will society afford to pay for this new utopia?

Tariffs. Haven't you been keeping up with the news?

27 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

Get ready for population control

In developed nations the birth rate is currently below the replacement rate. No further action is necessary on that front.

29 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

a basic subsistence income

I'm retired on pensions. I'm already living that.

It might be really useful to have a robotic housekeeper and home health worker. I can make flight sim utilities and repaints and just give them away because the extra money isn't that much to bother with. Or write tutorials like the one I did for Steel Beasts to teach people how to call artillery manually. They offered to pay for that one, actually.

Stay home and raise sheep and goats and chickens and puppies and kittens and grow a good garden. Trade eggs for whatever you need. Go fishing. Learn to cook.

Learn new things. Buy an inexpensive E6B and learn to use it. Then teach others. Study business, economics, philosophy. Learn to play an instrument. Do volunteer work. The possibilities are endless. 

Get involved in local politics, or start a small business. These are the only two real games in town.

Boredom is a self inflicted wound, and there will always be worthwhile things to do.

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Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;

Imagen these deployed in high-risk environment jobs.

 

 

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3 hours ago, LHookins said:

In developed nations the birth rate is currently below the replacement rate. No further action is necessary on that front.

Yes, in the long run population might not be a problem.  However, if this mass replacement by machines comes to fruition within 20 years, which is looking likely, that's another story, as there will still be tens of millions of people under 50 in the USA, for example.

3 hours ago, LHookins said:

I'm retired on pensions. I'm already living that.

Yes, but you *retired* after working for many years.  I'm talking about a few million 25-30 year olds who lose their job to a robot.  What will they do then?

This question has already been brought up by some people at higher levels of the corporate and govt. worlds, and a basic minimum income has been proposed.  I just wonder who will pay to support another, say, 25 or 50 million people who will lose their jobs over the next 20 years.

Interesting discussion.

Dave

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4 hours ago, LHookins said:

Tariffs. Haven't you been keeping up with the news?

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1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

if this mass replacement by machines comes to fruition within 20 years

Wasn't it as early as the 50's when the watch phrase was "You could be replaced by a button"? It didn't happen then and it won't happen now.  Even then I realized that someone had to maintain the machines connected to those buttons. Today, factories with all their automation still have to hire lots of people.

There will always be jobs that robots, no matter how good, cannot replace. 

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

a few million 25-30 year olds who lose their job to a robot.  What will they do then?

Continue to work the side hustles they're already working because they can't make enough on whatever their main job is. Or go to a trade school for a few months and learn a job that pays more than college graduates can get that robots can't do. Make stuff and sell it. Or just "retire" and do whatever interests them.

Dave, seriously... someone's spent a lot of time and paid a lot of money teaching you (and everyone else) to worry. It's not your fault. It's going to be beyond my meager skill set to inoculate you against it. The best I can do is assure you that the world is not necessarily going to hell in a handbasket, and things definitely aren't as bad as some people would have you believe. Right now I'm hopeful that things will even improve.

Hook

Larry Hookins

 

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;

 Robots doing all the work?  Think what will happen to the humans:

 

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