Just now, Bobsk8 said:

For a couple of hundred dollars a year, that's not enough for me, that's for sure.

True, but it works on their free OpenSky or whatever it's called.

12 hours ago, FPVSteve said:

Snarkiness aside I know what you're saying but it's still a limitation of the lack of terrain awareness from the ATC. A controller on VATSIM for instance wouldn't vector your aircraft into a mountain as they'd be aware of minimum safe altitudes at your current location and in X miles on your assigned heading, but BATC doesn't seem to know about it yet. Ideally BATC wouldn't deviate from the STAR at all, but it does and sometimes there are consequences to blindly following its instructions. My point is that there's a certain level of not being able to fully trust the ATC yet in hazardous areas.

I'm the guy who defended you when most of your customers where trashing you and SLC. I also believed that you would come through and deliver on your promises. Thank you for keeping your promises.

Most avsim members come to this forum for help or to complain. There are a few that genuinely want to help. There's so much I can say, but I won't. I will always try to side on the dev's side, except for maybe a few. 😀

11 hours ago, KL Oo said:

C'mon mate, don't be that guy. Nobody likes that guy.

Did I vandalize a Tesla? All I did was ask a simple question.

I think it was in this thread but yes SI can see traffic on the ground and in the sky. I was departing Santa Monica and there was a plane in front of me on a different heading that I saw and also got the traffic call from ATC about it.

 

 

One thing that I feel should be better understood between the two is that BATC actually cost more than SI. I keep seeing how SI cost.. and the poster more often than not quotes a yearly price instead of the monthly price. Fair because, SI does offer at a discount an annual price but lets compare apples to apples.

BATC states on their website that it cost about $0.45 per flight. With SI their monthly cost on a 30 day month averages $0.54 per day. So a leg out and back with BATC cost $0.90 where for SI its still $0.54 but to use BATC math, its now $0.27 per flight where BATC remains at $0.45 per flight. The more you fly on BATC, the more it cost where with Si the more value you get.

Can you use BATC without the added cost? Sure but at  the same time you still have to pay $30 for scripted IFR ATC only with basic voices. That same product from SI with their Opensky of basic voices with scripted IFR is FREE. 

My point, If you are going to state (in what seems to be a complaining manner) that SI cost $200 then you might want to also include that its half the price of BATC on a more level playing ground with a round trip flight or $.09 more on a one way flight. 

 

10 minutes ago, Ident said:

BATC states on their website that it cost about $0.45 per flight. With SI their monthly cost on a 30 day month averages $0.54 per day. So a leg out and back with BATC cost $0.90 where for SI its still $0.54 but to use BATC math, its now $0.27 per flight where BATC remains at $0.45 per flight. The more you fly on BATC, the more it cost where with Si the more value you get.

Only if you use the premium voices, though. The basic voices actually are pretty good on their own with some decent regional accents. I can tend to be a snob about these but did like the voices. 

10 minutes ago, Ident said:

That same product from SI with their Opensky of basic voices with scripted IFR is FREE. 

The OpenSky, though, is very scripted. The two flights I've done I didn't get vectors after departure. They say you cannot deviate from the flight plan. Now, for short flights that's fine since the runway won't change. A longer haul it would be an issue. I do think though, the SI voices are well done.

That said, I was waiting for my wife at a medical appointment in the coffee shop. I got coffee, second breakfast, and a treat and it cost more than a SI monthly cost. Now, yeah, subs add up. But as someone mentioned it's on par with a Netflix sub and is in range of my Warcraft sub.

For the record, I don't have a premium account on SI.

36 minutes ago, Ident said:

Can you use BATC without the added cost? Sure but at  the same time you still have to pay $30 for scripted IFR ATC only with basic voices. That same product from SI with their Opensky of basic voices with scripted IFR is FREE. 
 

Er... something, something, traffic injection and control. Now that's a big difference between the two.

You keep on pushing the cost narrative, but with BATC you have the choice to pay more or not.

1 hour ago, Ident said:

One thing that I feel should be better understood between the two is that BATC actually cost more than SI.

Repeating it again and again doesn't make it more true.

You even posted yourself the product description and there is clearly stated what you get for one time 30$.

If you want additional premium voices you have to pay extra, yes.


No, its not apples to apples!

SI offers ATC with focus on LLM voices

BATC offers ATC with focus controlling AI traffic

 

BATC basic voices are actually really good, do not not bash that tool by implicating that it is useless using just basic voices. That is not true.

But again, you know all this. Simply don't understand what your mission is here ...

1 hour ago, Ident said:

One thing that I feel should be better understood between the two is that BATC actually cost more than SI. I keep seeing how SI cost.. and the poster more often than not quotes a yearly price instead of the monthly price. Fair because, SI does offer at a discount an annual price but lets compare apples to apples.

BATC states on their website that it cost about $0.45 per flight. With SI their monthly cost on a 30 day month averages $0.54 per day. So a leg out and back with BATC cost $0.90 where for SI its still $0.54 but to use BATC math, its now $0.27 per flight where BATC remains at $0.45 per flight. The more you fly on BATC, the more it cost where with Si the more value you get.

Can you use BATC without the added cost? Sure but at  the same time you still have to pay $30 for scripted IFR ATC only with basic voices. That same product from SI with their Opensky of basic voices with scripted IFR is FREE. 

My point, If you are going to state (in what seems to be a complaining manner) that SI cost $200 then you might want to also include that its half the price of BATC on a more level playing ground with a round trip flight or $.09 more on a one way flight. 

 

That is so untrue. BATC cost $30, and many people if not most use the default voices which are free, which costs nothing. I hundreds and hundreds of flights I have not spent one cent on voices for BATC.  SI costs around $200 a year, every year. That is just a fact, sorry you disagree. 

2 hours ago, Ident said:

One thing that I feel should be better understood between the two is that BATC actually cost more than SI.

April Fools day is still over a week away.

7 minutes ago, Vel said:

April Fools day is still over a week away.

Say what you want but apples to apples, Basic IFR with BATC is 30 bucks and Free with SI. Premium ATC with BATC is average of .45 cents per flight and .54 per day with SI. With BATC you get AI Traffic and with SI you VFR. If you were comparing the products for ATC, SI offers twice as more. If you were comparing for value, BATC offers traffic where SI offers a list of Ops, Co-Pilot, Missions, Online network. Both have their pros and cons and I support both. I was merely pointing out the truths as I see it when you put everything on a level playing field.

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4 minutes ago, Ident said:

Premium ATC with BATC is average of .45 cents per flight and .54 per day with SI.

That is assuming you want the better voices. You don't have to use them. There is no recurring charge for BATC unless you want the premium voices. 

You keep banging on the "BATC costs money per flight" drum and that is not the case. You can pay your $30, never enable the premium voice credits and never hand BATC money again.

And the free SI doesn't use all their voices anyway.

23 minutes ago, Ident said:

Say what you want but apples to apples, Basic IFR with BATC is 30 bucks and Free with SI. Premium ATC with BATC is average of .45 cents per flight and .54 per day with SI. With BATC you get AI Traffic and with SI you VFR. If you were comparing the products for ATC, SI offers twice as more. If you were comparing for value, BATC offers traffic where SI offers a list of Ops, Co-Pilot, Missions, Online network. Both have their pros and cons and I support both. I was merely pointing out the truths as I see it when you put everything on a level playing field.

You are comparing the most expensive BATC scenario with the basic subscription costs of SI. It is in no way a balanced comparison but you already know this.

Typically with someone trying to prove black is actually white, you take the position that everyone is "misinformed" and you are here to shed light on the truth.

I have not tried SI and I must say having witnessed the antics of SI "evangelists" like yourself on these forums, I am far less likely to do so.

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38 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

That is so untrue. BATC cost $30, and many people if not most use the default voices which are free, which costs nothing. I hundreds and hundreds of flights I have not spent one cent on voices for BATC.  SI costs around $200 a year, every year. That is just a fact, sorry you disagree. 

I only disagree that you choosing to take the best of one part and the worst of another. On BATC website it says it cost on average $0.45 per flight. I dont see anyone pointing that out while at the same time say, there is a free version of SI that is almost identical to BATC with no monthly cost, nor no purchase price.  Gate to gate, scripted IFR with basic voices.

 

9 minutes ago, Ident said:

Say what you want but apples to apples, Basic IFR with BATC is 30 bucks and Free with SI. Premium ATC with BATC is average of .45 cents per flight and .54 per day with SI. With BATC you get AI Traffic and with SI you VFR. If you were comparing the products for ATC, SI offers twice as more. If you were comparing for value, BATC offers traffic where SI offers a list of Ops, Co-Pilot, Missions, Online network. Both have their pros and cons and I support both. I was merely pointing out the truths as I see it when you put everything on a level playing field.

My marketing team doesn't even try this hard.

2 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

That is assuming you want the better voices. You don't have to use them. There is no recurring charge for BATC unless you want the premium voices. 

You keep banging on the "BATC costs money per flight" drum and that is not the case. You can pay your $30, never enable the premium voice credits and never hand BATC money again.

And the free SI doesn't use all their voices anyway.

Exactly. BATC doesnt use all its voices. You have to pay for those.