7 hours ago, C2615 said:

En cuanto a los aviones,

Los autobuses de Toliss están muy por delante de los de FSL y funcionan con mucha más fluidez (al menos en mi sistema).

Sin embargo, el FF777v2 (Beta) todavía tiene mucho camino por recorrer en comparación con el PMDG777 para P3D (tiene funciones más sofisticadas, como mantenimiento y cabina, pero la función de vuelo básica todavía no es tan buena como la del PMDG).

Olvídate del 787, compré Magknight 787 pensando que no podía ser peor que QW, pero lo es... mucho peor...

En realidad, mi transición a XP11/12 se basa en probar diferentes aviones: el A350, luego el 747-200, el 727... y ahora la mayor parte de mi flota. Así que quizás puedas empezar probando algo diferente; el Zibo 737 gratuito sería un buen comienzo. Y el Airbus de fuselaje ancho (Toliss 339/346) también sería un buen punto de partida, ya que no te dificultará mucho el aprendizaje si ya estás familiarizado con el A320.

I'm no expert but I'm very curious why Toliss is ahead of FSlabs ? I have received some feedback from real pilots and they have always told me that FSlabs is the best simulation of an a32x the one they released for 2020 they say it is a gem.

1 minute ago, Aglos77 said:

I'm no expert but I'm very curious why Toliss is ahead of FSlabs ? I have received some feedback from real pilots and they have always told me that FSlabs is the best simulation of an a32x the one they released for 2020 they say it is a gem.

Mee too, including a captain from SATA, who has experience on vários modelos, also uses MSFS, and Toliss, but says FSLabs is still the best, and still keeps P3d for that...

Xp12 in combo with autoortho and simheaven revived my drive and love for xplane again especially with the latest betas. As said before xplane ootb is def a really good option now and you don't need 100 addons to tweak and get it halfway decent like back in P3D times. XP12 I love to fly the Felis 742, Flyjsim Dash8 (def en par with Majestic in the latest version) and the Rotate MD11. Busses I fly in the one shall not be named and def not fslabs.

 

39 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

I'm no expert but I'm very curious why Toliss is ahead of FSlabs ? I have received some feedback from real pilots and they have always told me that FSlabs is the best simulation of an a32x the one they released for 2020 they say it is a gem.

I'm not 320 pilot, my test is doing my company's 2-day recurrent drill, Toliss can follow like 80% of the subjects in 2 years, and follow the book, while FSL can only provide like 30% of the failure needed to recreate the drill.

Maybe it's also like FF777 that have "more fancy functions"(in this case failures), but not more close to the actual behavior, but at least it can follow the drill and FCOM procedure for me.

It is not an attack on Toliss I told you I have the a320 and the 346.

Good Morning Folks,

 

You have given me a lot of great information, thank you for that. I am an add-on collector forsure but would be nice to not continuously dive into my wallet if I do not have to. I will try the demo today and see what I think. I don't mind shelling out a couple of bucks on X-Plane and a few add-ons to try out in full version either. If it works out great, if not, I am not completely invested...Part of this driving me is the obvious fact that P3D has less and less add-on releases and essentially end of the shelf life it seems.

For MSFS2024, I am not convinced it is the sim for me. I have 2020 and essentially parked it...bought the Fenix A320, and never even used it.

Thank you all for the feedback!

Sean

Edited April 27, 20251 yr by ywg256

I fly nothing but the Toliss. Their Airbus' are second to none. The real test for me is how they model vnav (managed) descents in a variety of complex STARS taking into account the forecast winds.

Every descent is executed to perfection with EVERY and I mean EVERY altitude and speed constraint met right on the dot. It's awesome...no other expression for Toliss. 

Edited April 27, 20251 yr by Falconjet112

24 minutes ago, Falconjet112 said:

Every descent is executed to perfection with EVERY and I mean EVERY altitude and speed constraint met right on the dot. It's awesome...no other expression for Toliss. 

That's what I always thought too until a real a320 pilot commented something like... "It's too perfect..." and I was like... 🥴

5 hours ago, Litjan said:

by reading your initial post I get the impression that you are an "add-on collector" and enjoy boosting and expanding your simulator with third party things

No, he is not, at least not voluntarily. You see, especially in P3D you can not get by in any way without amassing a sizable third party add-on collection, starting with sceneries for just about every airport because the defaults are absolutely nothing like to what is delivered by the Gateway.

2 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

No, no lo es, al menos no voluntariamente. Verás, especialmente en P3D, no puedes sobrevivir sin acumular una considerable colección de complementos de terceros, empezando por escenarios para casi todos los aeropuertos, ya que los valores predeterminados no se parecen en nada a los que ofrece Gateway.

That's the problem I have with 2024, most airports by default are very bad, I'm not particularly demanding but many don't even have the basics.

Ok, I am going to give it a shot. What would you guys recommend for addons etc..I seem to see a lot about sim heaven or whatever for environment. I will probably grab the Toliss A32X in some form and a couple of airport addons to start...thanks again for the help.

10 minutes ago, ywg256 said:

Ok, I am going to give it a shot. What would you guys recommend for addons etc..I seem to see a lot about sim heaven or whatever for environment. I will probably grab the Toliss A32X in some form and a couple of airport addons to start...thanks again for the help.

Start clean. Do some flights. Than when you have it where you want. Backup the xplane folder. Than start adding addons.

6 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

Start clean. Do some flights. Than when you have it where you want. Backup the xplane folder. Than start adding addons.

Ok will do. 

5 hours ago, ywg256 said:

Ok will do. 

I will add, that many smart xp users have multiple installs. The main one for general use and the one you sue for betas, and also a backup of the latest working. Just a matter of copying the xplane folder and deciding which one to update. Has no ties to windows registry

The most important point was already mentioned in the topic, but I'm going to repeat it here just for clarity:

• XP12 has a very nice demo version on top of which you can install any addon.
• The demo is really just the full sim (current version, the demo has the same executable and same updates as the full sim), but
  • limited to a small geographic area (around Portland if I remember correctly)
  • and limited to 20 minutes before locking the controls (you just need to restart the sim, you can restart as much as you want).
• That means that it's possible to install the freeware Zibo 737 on the XP12 demo, and that should give you a pretty good idea about what XP12 is able to provide.

Also, if you're not too much focused on liners, I would strongly advise you to give a try to helicopters, and low flights over the city area at night. The night rendering of the cities is, in my opinion, one of the strongest points that XP12 has over other sims, especially over P3D. The weather depiction is just the cherry on the cake.

Finally, some additional comments about the XP12 "full" version:

• You can choose which area of the world you want to install (the world is split over a few parts, if you don't install you just get water over there), which is nice for saving space on the disks
• XP12 has a "scenery gateway" system that basically integrates some freeware airports/airfields directly into the default content of the sim. This means that wherever you go, you might see a lot of "default but not default" airfields which are much nicer than anything you would get in other sims default sceneries 🙂 (MSFS2024 is supposed to get that as well at some point... but not today 😞 ).
• It will be a bit tedious to get rid of your P3D habits (keyboard shortcuts etc...) but it will be well worth the effort 😉

 

 

Edited April 28, 20251 yr by Daube