1 hour ago, LRBS said:

It's amazing, I'm an airline pilot for the last 45 years, and you try to convince me that this is normal, and what this guy is doing in the video is correct, and we have a reverser axis available. Wow, good luck.

No, he's trying to convince you that this is a desktop flight simulator and, since we can't do it the way you do it in the real airplane because the hardware/software to make that happen is out of reach for most of us, this is how we have to do it in the desktop flight simulator.

 

 

31 minutes ago, Mace said:

Re-read his post.  He wasn't trying to convince you that's "normal".  He even said it's NOT normal / not how it is really done.   All of us with Bravos know it's not "normal"/correct.  It's just a way to halfway (half__ss) deal with it for now.   Part of it is hardware, in the sense that the Honeycomb Bravo reverser (with the airliner handles) is just an on-off switch essentially.

And I agree with that. It's just a switch, on or off, not an axis. That's what many of us complain about. 

I'm very curious about how @Bobsk8 it manages to modulate the throttle for the reverse part when there are no reverse levers and no axes for that purpose. Is he moving the thrust levers forward to get out of idle reverse to a higher value? I can't envision that. 

4 minutes ago, LRBS said:

And I agree with that. It's just a switch, on or off, not an axis. That's what many of us complain about. 

I'm very curious about how @Bobsk8 it manages to modulate the throttle for the reverse part when there are no reverse levers and no axes for that purpose. Is he moving the thrust levers forward to get out of idle reverse to a higher value? I can't envision that. 

It's literally the video I linked previously.
Let me try one more time, maybe I'm not articulating this well enough.

The reverse axis is the same as the thrust axis on the Bravo (or any throttle device for that matter) in the sim. 
To get into the reverse axis, you push the toggle thrust reverse binding. When you do that, the thrust axis becomes the reverse axis.

In other words, if you move the throttle forwards on the actual device (ie the Bravo in this case), it applies that much reverser axis in the sim.

Hopefully that clears it up?
With that knowledge, watch the video I linked - maybe the visual of that would help.

 

NOTE: Real planes don't work that way, yes we all know. I'm trying to solve this mystery for you of how we use the revereser axis in the sim.

 

 

10 minutes ago, LRBS said:

And I agree with that. It's just a switch, on or off, not an axis. That's what many of us complain about. 

I'm very curious about how @Bobsk8 it manages to modulate the throttle for the reverse part when there are no reverse levers and no axes for that purpose. Is he moving the thrust levers forward to get out of idle reverse to a higher value? I can't envision that. 

Because in his setup, the reverse button tells the sim to flip the throttle axis to an alternate mode so that full throttle is no longer full thrust, but full reverse thrust. Hitting the reverse button again flips the axis back to normal operation.

Think of it like some of those old flying games where you could choose whether pulling back on the stick pointed the plane down (inaccurate but more natural for people who aren't familiar with flying airplanes) or up (accurate but hard for non-aviation nerds to wrap their heads around).  All that choice did was tell the computer "when the joystick moves in this direction, pretend it was moving in the opposite direction." The same thing is happening with the reverse thrust toggle in his setup.

The toggle tells the sim to pretend that the throttle axis, which usually goes from full-back-idle to full-forward-full-thrust, now goes from full-backidle to full-forward-full-reverse thrust. You could do it with any controller axis. You could even, if you were slightly insane, set it up so that full right rudder = full reverse. A lot of desktop flight simming is finding compromises so that your hardware, which is usually not anywhere close to a 1:1 representation of the controls in the real plane, will make the simulated plane do what you want it to do.

For years before I could afford to buy better controllers, the thumb button on the throttle was my landing gear toggle, and the trigger button on the joystick was my brake. Didn't match a real airplane, but it was either that or I had to stop by holding the period key down, and toggle the gear with the G key. 

OK, folks. Thank you. I understand now. It’s very awkward. I hope the guys at ASOBO will get it right someday. I'm using the Throttletek for the 747, which has reverse levers with the appropriate axes. To get it to work correctly, I have to use FSUIPC. I couldn't understand the Bravo situation. 

Does this method allow you to apply say 30% reverse thrust or is at all or nothing.

Personally I just wish more devs used throttle calibrators that can essentially suit the variety of peripherals out there while still adhering to the specific properties of the throttle in a given plane.

i own a Virgil CM3, this has configurable detents and a reverse on the axis with lift gates. In the FBW/Fenix/ini/Aerosoft this works perfectly, in PMDG/Maddog/majority of devs, I have to, much like @Bobsk8, move my axis to idle, press and hold a button, push my axis forward to get a certain degree of reverse thrust. Not to mention I have to have massive reverse dead zones on my throttles as now I don’t need the entire usable range of my throttle. It’s quite silly and cumbersome.

 An actual calibrator means I can utilise my throttle fully without weird workarounds.

1 hour ago, YMMB said:

Does this method allow you to apply say 30% reverse thrust or is at all or nothing.

The button hold method gives you the granularity to use the full range of reverse thrust, wherever you want.

Apparently F2 was good enough for sims in the last century so it's good enough in this one too. 

🙄

I press and hold Button 2 on my CH Flightstick Pro joystick to activate thrust reverse, and then move the throttle wheel to increase and decrease the power. I could go through the power range with this method if I wanted to, but who wants idle thrust reverse? I want to hear those engines roar! I reduce power to idle, and let go of the button to disengage the thrust reversers.

This method works very well with my PMDG 737-600, but the 777F is a bit more troublesome. There are times when REV does not appear on the EICAS, or takes ages to appear. That is one of the reasons why I am not enjoying flying the 777F in MSFS 2020 as much as I did in P3Dv4.

Edited April 30, 20251 yr by Christopher Low

The FSL A321 allows you to set a range on your throttle axes for reverse max and reverse idle. On my VKB STECS, I put a detent on the frame between fwd idle and rev idle.

On the PMDG, I just set the reverse detent in VKB config to press F2.

They aren't a separate reverse axis like the OP wanted, but they work well for me.

 

8 hours ago, LRBS said:

And I agree with that. It's just a switch, on or off, not an axis. That's what many of us complain about. 

I'm very curious about how @Bobsk8 it manages to modulate the throttle for the reverse part when there are no reverse levers and no axes for that purpose. Is he moving the thrust levers forward to get out of idle reverse to a higher value? I can't envision that. 

Been doing it for years on thousand of flights, works every time.

It's interesting to observe how people have become accustomed to this and consider it normal, just like not being able to set a specific RVR or visibility value.

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

It's interesting to observe how people have become accustomed to this and consider it normal, just like not being able to set a specific RVR or visibility value.

To clarify we do have a separate reverser axis as @Bobsk8 @Georgleboui and I have clarified. The only caveat is pressing and holding a button to activate this axis. Though ultimately the best solution is custom calibrators done by a few devs.

I have separate reverser axis’ and would love to be able to use them, functionally correctly. That’s all….