59 minutes ago, alanw2005 said:

I think it ties in with the OPs thread title quite nicely. MSFS 2024 is the future. MSFS 2020 at some point will not be supported.

You could copy and paste that in 4-5 years when the next iteration of Flight Sim arrives substituting 2020 for 2024.

Each version is time limited. It was the same when v1 came out in the 80s and will continue way into the future. Maybe you’ll get fed up having to keep buying the latest and greatest (allegedly) and stick with what you have for as long as it’s available.

36 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Maybe you’ll get fed up having to keep buying the latest and greatest (allegedly) and stick with what you have for as long as it’s available.

I’d gladly do this with my washing machine or lawnmower robot but not with my hobby, not with my passion.

Flight simming still has a long way to go before it truly lives up to the promise of being “as real as it gets.” And I want to be in the front seat for that journey.

Edited May 16, 20251 yr by GCBraun

@GCBraun, how much more do you think MSFS can be improved? The base level in 2020 was so high continuous significant improvements seem unlikely.

You have to change washing machines and lawn mowers when they eventually cost more to repair than is economically viable. Very different to a hobby.

Maybe LM will produce something to rival Microsoft. They certainly have the resources.

1 hour ago, GCBraun said:

And I want to be in the front seat for that journey.

youll be waiting a while i think.

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Maybe you’ll get fed up having to keep buying the latest and greatest (allegedly) and stick with what you have for as long as it’s available.

i rarely agree with Ray, but hes correct here. 

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@GCBraun, how much more do you think MSFS can be improved? The base level in 2020 was so high continuous significant improvements seem unlikely.

You have to change washing machines and lawn mowers when they eventually cost more to repair than is economically viable. Very different to a hobby.

Maybe LM will produce something to rival Microsoft. They certainly have the resources.

The issue is not how much MSFS can be improved (and it certainly can, or should...) and it's not that LM is an inferior platform (unless you're all about visuals). Thing is, that all platforms depend heavily on third party addons. If FSL or someone else will sooner or later come up with a Concorde that's better than what you have on P3D  - you'd probably switch platforms, and be right in doing so. 

23 minutes ago, ha5mvo said:

If FSL or someone else will sooner or later come up with a Concorde that's better than what you have on P3D  - you'd probably switch platforms, and be right in doing so. 

I have the FSL 64-bit Concorde in P3Dv5. I’m primarily a procedural flyer. What is important to me is operating the aircraft as it was flown in real life on a stable platform that is reliable with a mature SDK. Visuals don’t matter that much to me providing they meet an acceptable standard which v5 meets.

No one will produce a better Concorde than FSL and the version that eventually arrives for MSFS won’t be any different than the one in P3D.

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I have the FSL 64-bit Concorde in P3Dv5. I’m primarily a procedural flyer. What is important to me is operating the aircraft as it was flown in real life on a stable platform that is reliable with a mature SDK. Visuals don’t matter that much to me providing they meet an acceptable standard which v5 meets.

No one will produce a better Concorde than FSL and the version that eventually arrives for MSFS won’t be any different than the one in P3D.

Halelueah on the visuals comment. Graphics grows old fast if your FPS is crippled and the plane flies terribly.

Edited May 17, 20251 yr by alanw2005

Hace 4 horas, ha5mvo dijo:

La cuestión no es cuánto se pueda mejorar MSFS (y ciertamente se puede, o debería...) ni que LM sea una plataforma inferior (a menos que te importen los gráficos). La cuestión es que todas las plataformas dependen en gran medida de complementos de terceros. Si FSL o alguien más, tarde o temprano, presenta un Concorde mejor que el que tienes en P3D, probablemente cambiarías de plataforma, y harías bien en hacerlo. 

We spend thousands of dollars on hardware and software every few years only to throw it away soon after. We don't really realise how absurd it's all become, they play on our dissatisfaction.

I am very envious of Ray's mentality.

Just now, Aglos77 said:

We spend thousands of dollars on hardware and software every few years only to throw it away soon after. We don't really realise how absurd it's all become, they play on our dissatisfaction.

I am very envious of Ray's mentality.

True enough. Do you really need to throw away your 4090 video card and buy a 5090 to properly enjoy a new video game? Especially if your 4090 is less than a year old??

10 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@GCBraun, how much more do you think MSFS can be improved? The base level in 2020 was so high continuous significant improvements seem unlikely.

You have to change washing machines and lawn mowers when they eventually cost more to repair than is economically viable. Very different to a hobby.

Maybe LM will produce something to rival Microsoft. They certainly have the resources.

As I mentioned in my first post, MSFS 2024 is an evolution, not the revolution that 2020 was. That’s why I waited nearly six months before fully migrating. When 2020 launched, I stopped using my previous main sim almost instantly.

That said, there’s still a lot of room for improvement in 2024, particularly when it comes to clouds, mesh, and textures. I’d also like to see the sim become more open and easier to develop for in certain areas. But since I believe Asobo/MS do (partially) listen to feedback, it makes sense to be on the version where most of the development effort is now going.

As for Lockheed Martin, most of their resources are focused on building war machines or maintaining the environments relevant to that market. End-users like us have never been their priority. Let’s see if anything new comes from them, but I’m not holding my breath. They are the sim developers version of FSLabs when it comes to communicating with costumers. 

8 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

youll be waiting a while i think.

Not really. Flying MSFS 2024 with VR is something that constantly takes me into that spot. Add my experiences with XP12 and DCS to that and I am in a position that my 12-year old self would only have dreamt of when it comes to flight simming. 

I didn't think flight sims could be improved when I started FSX, I didn't think they could improve when I started MSFS2020, I didn't think they could improve when I started MSFS2024 and I didn't think they could improve when I started MSFS2024 SU2. I hear SU3 is pretty good too. To think we are near reaching the limit is a little naive.   

3 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

We spend thousands of dollars on hardware and software every few years only to throw it away soon after. We don't really realise how absurd it's all become, they play on our dissatisfaction.

I am very envious of Ray's mentality.

I actually share his mentality when it comes to many things in life; phones, for example. These devices often cost hundreds, sometimes even thousands of euros, and yet many people feel the need to upgrade every single year. While I could easily join that cycle of mindless consumerism, I personally prefer to buy models that are two or even three years old. They do the job just fine.

A new flight simulator version, on the other hand, comes out maybe once every five years and costs just a fraction of what a phone does. MSFS 2024 cost me around 35 euros, and I can continue using virtually all of the add-ons I purchased for 2020. In that context, upgrading isn’t really the hard or complex decision some make it out to be.

1 hour ago, St Mawgan said:

I didn't think flight sims could be improved when I started FSX, I didn't think they could improve when I started MSFS2020, I didn't think they could improve when I started MSFS2024 and I didn't think they could improve when I started MSFS2024 SU2. I hear SU3 is pretty good too. To think we are near reaching the limit is a little naive.   

25 years ago I was flying MSFS 2000, landing a 737 at KSEA on RW34L. I couldn't believe how good the technology was! Time flies. Embrace the future of flight sim. Leave the past for the history books.