19 minutes ago, MaximumN2 said:

Isn’t he a beta tester for Fenix and always quite biased in favor of them? Just to put this into perspective.

I have no clue if he is. Hes definetely not biased though. He does a lot of comparing between X-plane and MSFS aircrafts. He just gives his prespective to what he flies IRL. 

One bug I've found in the NEO is if you load up default GPU panel state you can't connect the autopilot at all. 

Edited June 25, 2025Jun 25 by carlanthony24

3 hours ago, Farlis said:

You do know that the only difference between the CEO and the NEO is the engine?

You know the only differance between the A319/20/21 is the length?

2 hours ago, MaximumN2 said:

Isn’t he a beta tester for Fenix and always quite biased in favor of them? Just to put this into perspective.

Not sure where you got that from, but he's not and nor has he claimed that anywhere I know of. He has reviewed various aircraft on different sim platforms over the years. One of the few experienced IRL pilots and experienced simmers whose reviews I (and many others) trust and always look forward to, among others like 320 Sim Pilot, Into the Blue, etc.
 

6 hours ago, Jeanke330 said:

I have 3000+ real world hours flying the A319/A320 and 5000+ hours on the A330, so I think I know the airbus pretty well. I have no experience flying the 321 CEO/NEO but if I have to choose between Fenix and FSL, I'd pick FSL .. don't ask me why but the FSL feels more like the real deal. Not a scientific observation by any means but a very objective personal pick. Just my two cents. GSX is a bit of a hit and miss, but flying wise I prefer FSL.

 

For what it's worth,

 

 

Jan

Thanks for this post. Tells me what I wanted to hear. I'll accept input anytime from someone with relevant real word experience. I chose the FSL based on past experience with their P3d products which for me was excellent. I have not been disappointed in the least with my FSL purchases for msfs2020 & 2024. I'm very pleased with them.

13 hours ago, Farlis said:

That's probably because they simulate ACARS more completely and have maintenance modeled and the MCDU not miss steps the real thing has like the one from Fenix that still can't properly insert waypoints after the runway or store pilot routes for review of the flightplan.

 

So that all contributes to the feeling that you are doing exactly what you are doing in real life when you operate a flight, while Fenix misses many of these steps.

 

That being said from what I saw I think the Fenix looks and flies better.

I like how you make the leap and just make up some reasons as to why real world pilots prefer the FSL absent any facts to actually prove your statement. Just your own imagination that you’re passing off as the reason real world pilots prefer FSL. And then end it with the Fenix is better comment even though it’s clear you don’t even own the FSL but yet you put out a dismissive comment to it by minimizing what real world pilots think of it. Anyone can see clearly what your intent is. 

Ultimately all these high end addons have strengths and shortcomings. I've read many times one of the strong suits of the FSL is system depth, and I remember enjoying their 320 a lot in P3D. Plus the MEL system looks super neat indeed. I've flown the A320 family IRL for more than 10 years and there's almost no day dispatching without a small MEL item... But OTOH what I saw of a recent A330 driver video did not inspire confidence:

https://youtu.be/rpqNS3UBhxs?si=UKB0fcpTrcH0hjTh&t=4573

A GEN FAULT ECAM should not arrive after an ENG FAIL, and it's not even such an "exotic" ECAM

2 hours ago, B777ER said:

Anyone can see clearly what your intent is. 

So what is my intent, Sherlock? 

These Desktop flight sim add on comparisons always had and always will give me a chuckle but carry on. None of it is real life and not even being close to real life but believe what you want and fly in your static chair what you want.

PS" folks come here claiming to be RWP's I take that with a grain salt also.

"Depression is a very bad thing. It's like a virus. If you don't stamp on it, it spreads throughout the mind, and then one day you wake up in the morning and you... you can't face life anymore!"

"And then you start flight simming."

15 hours ago, Farlis said:

You do know that the only difference between the CEO and the NEO is the engine?

Not even close 😉

4 minutes ago, virtualstuff said:

Not even close 😉

Then go ahead, I look forward to a list of significant differences.

16 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Then go ahead, I look forward to a list of significant differences.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

A321ceo:

• Engines: Uses CFM56 or V2500 engines.
• Fuel Efficiency: Generally less fuel-efficient than the A321neo.
• Wingtips: Features smaller, triangular wingtips.
• Range: Standard range for its class. 
   

A321neo:

• Engines: Equipped with CFM LEAP-1A or Pratt & Whitney PW1100G engines. 
   
• Fuel Efficiency: Offers significant improvements in fuel consumption and lower CO2 emissions compared to the A321ceo. 
   
• Wingtips: Features "sharklets" (larger, upward-swept wingtip devices) for improved aerodynamics. 
   
• Range: Can be configured with extended range options like the A321LR (Long Range) or A321XLR (eXtra Long Range). 
   
• Cabin: May feature optimized cabin space and increased exit limits in some configurations (Cabin-Flex). 
   
• Other: May include additional fuel tanks for extended range. 

 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Engines:

• A321ceo: Uses CFM56 or V2500 engines.
• A321neo: Employs CFM LEAP-1A or Pratt & Whitney PW1100G engines, which are more fuel-efficient and quieter. 
   

Aerodynamics:

• A321ceo: Features standard wingtips.
• A321neo: Equipped with sharklets (wingtip devices) that reduce drag and improve fuel efficiency. 
   

Other Differences:

• Fuselage: The A321neo has a slightly longer fuselage compared to the A321ceo. 
   
• Landing Lights: The A321neo integrates the landing lights into the wing structure, improving aerodynamics, while the A321ceo has retractable landing lights. 
   
• Materials: The A321neo uses more composite materials in its structure. 
   
• Fuel Capacity: The A321neo, particularly the LR (Long Range) variant, utilizes additional fuel tanks (ACTs) to extend its range. 
   
• Passenger Capacity: The A321neo generally has a higher passenger capacity than the A321ceo. 
   
• Cabin: The A321neo may feature a more modern cabin with larger screens and in-flight Wi-Fi. 
   

In essence, the A321neo represents a more technologically advanced and fuel-efficient version of the A321, with improvements in engine technology, aerodynamics, and materials, all contributing to reduced operating costs and environmental impact. 

 

Just a quick google. Obviously more under the hood things like soft go around, DRAIMS and what ever else it doesn't show. Not just engines. 

I am also 99% certain there is differences in the flight management systems as well on the neo compared to the ceo. 

1 hour ago, Zangoose said:

I am also 99% certain there is differences in the flight management systems as well on the neo compared to the ceo. 

If you find any, I'm all ears, because I haven't seen any of significance.

 

And that list of yours basically solidifies what I said: There're no notable difference between the types. It's all quality of life and more like evolutionary changes and more about reducing costs for the airlines. It's nothing you will notice in a desk job simulation, other than a slight difference in engine behaviour.

 

In the end in terms of operating them actively and what goes on under the hood they are virtually identical and it's simply ludicrous to deflect any comparisms between Fenix and FSLB on the basis alone that one is a CEO and the other a NEO.

I'd say you will see more differences in behaviour of systems in the 737MAX compared to the 737NG than you will see to a A320CEO and a A320NEO.

Edited June 26, 2025Jun 26 by Farlis

Just now, Farlis said:

If you find any, I'm all ears, because I haven't seen any of significance.

 

And that list of yours basically solidifies what I said: There no notable difference between the types. It's all quality of life and more like evolutionary changes and more about reducing costs for the airlines. It's nothing you will notice in a desk job simulation, other than a slight difference in engine behaviour.

 

In the end in terms of operating them actively and what goes on under the hood they are virtually identical and it's simply ludicrous to deflect any comparisms between Fenix and FSLB on the basis alone that one is a CEO and the other a NEO.

I'd say you will see more differences in behaviour of systems in the 737MAX compared to the 737NG than you will see to a A320CEO and a A320NEO.

It depends what your definition is - because your original statement was that the only difference is the engines lol. Even if the differences are small, they are still differences. 

Edited June 26, 2025Jun 26 by Zangoose