I'm looking at the news and reporting at FSElite's website, and unless I'm missing something, other than announcements by hardware makers, when it came to 3rd party software add-ons for the flight simulators, it was mostly MSFS related news and MSFS related releases.  The biggest announcements of course, was the Toliss & Aerosoft collaboration on the A340, and also the hint by iniBuilds that they may be working on an A340 themselves.  There was of course, other news about other upcoming MSFS releases at FSExpo.

Of course there were announcements by the hardware makers too, as there were a lot of hardware makers there.  But if you take away the announcements by the hardware makers, it appeared that most of the announcements were related to MSFS? 

And this all happened without Asobo, Microsoft, or others from the MSFS team attending the FSExpo this year. Jorg said they would skip it, to focus on fixing MSFS 2024, which I agree with.  Still, despite the fact that the MSFS team was absent from the FSExpo this year, it ended up being MSFS centric anyways 🤣. I guess that's a good thing for MSFS users, it shows the strength of the 3rd party development scene for MSFS. 

Edited July 1, 2025Jul 1 by abrams_tank

That is where the market is now.

Lets just hope it continues and not be the history of the past. Enjoy it while its here as nothing last forever.

Edited July 1, 2025Jul 1 by JBDB-MD80

24 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

That is where the market is now.

Yup, it definitely is. You even have XP developers (Toliss) and DCS World developers (Heatblur), getting in on the MSFS market.

2 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

You even have XP developers (Toliss)

Developers?  Or developer licensing out his module. Misinformation is not good. I know you WANT more developers abandoning x plane, but Torsten was adamant he’s not leaving. I even showed him your other forum post and my reply, and he thanked me for replying with the facts. 

Edited July 1, 2025Jul 1 by GoranM

2 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

You even have XP developers (Toliss) and DCS World developers (Heatblur), getting in on the MSFS market.

Neither of them are entering the market per-say, they're letting MSFS developers licence their stuff.

  

6 minutes ago, GoranM said:

Developers?  Or developer licensing out his module. Misinformation is not good. I know you WANT more developers abandoning x plane, but Torsten was adamant he’s not leaving. I even showed him your other forum post and my reply, and he thanked me for replying with the facts. 

abrams_tank didn't say anything about them abandoning X-Plane.

Edited July 1, 2025Jul 1 by Tuskin38

21 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Neither of them are entering the market per-say, they're letting MSFS developers licence their stuff.

  

abrams_tank didn't say anything about them abandoning X-Plane.

He doesn’t have to. Besides, it’s the misinformation I’m correcting. Again. 

Edited July 1, 2025Jul 1 by GoranM

The return of the Microsoft Flight Simulator franchise has been the best thing to happen to this genre in the past 15 years 

15 minutes ago, chapstick said:

The return of the Microsoft Flight Simulator franchise has been the best thing to happen to this genre in the past 15 years 

100% agree. I’ve had a continuous massive spike in sales ever since it came out. You could say part of it financed this 2 week trip with my daughter. 

9 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

 mostly MSFS related news and MSFS related releases.  The biggest announcements of course, was the Toliss & Aerosoft collaboration on the A340, and also the hint by iniBuilds that they may be working on an A340 themselves.  There was of course, other news about other upcoming MSFS releases at FSExpo.

Of course there were announcements by the hardware makers too, as there were a lot of hardware makers there.  But if you take away the announcements by the hardware makers, it appeared that most of the announcements were related to MSFS? 

And this all happened without Asobo, Microsoft, or others from the MSFS team attending the FSExpo this year. Jorg said they would skip it, to focus on fixing MSFS 2024, which I agree with.  Still, despite the fact that the MSFS team was absent from the FSExpo this year, it ended up being MSFS centric anyways 🤣. I guess that's a good thing for MSFS users, it shows the strength of the 3rd party development scene for MSFS. 

This should come as absolutely no surprise given the size of the MSFS user base. And because the news coverage tends to follow that simply because of Clicks, right...?

There have been quite a few advancements / releases in the XP world just this year. The resounding upgrade (and mostly trouble free) XP 12.2 Beta & Release being among the most notable and immediate.

There are also a host of already very good add-ons in XP 12, like the already released Hi Fi A340 (and did you know that Toliss add-ons are being used by Airbus themselves as of recently...?), FF 767 & 757 (both just recently upgraded even further), the very recent FF 777, and a bunch of others across the gamut of aircraft types and models, like the JF Piper Arrows, the JF 146 Pro, XC E-Jets, etc., etc.

I.e., so many of the things that the MSFS community is hotly anticipating are already available as Hi Fi addons in XP...

So, yeah, it IS nice to see MSFS finally catching up 😁

Edited July 1, 2025Jul 1 by UrgentSiesta

Yeah, MSFS is massive now, and it's only getting bigger.

In fact, they have revitalized the hardware side of simming as well.. we have all these new amazing products and companies like Moza getting into flight sim thanks to the big new audience.

Also brand new devs making great modern planes. Overall, it's just lovely to see the growth and long may it continue. 

2 hours ago, GoranM said:

Developers?  Or developer licensing out his module. Misinformation is not good. I know you WANT more developers abandoning x plane, but Torsten was adamant he’s not leaving. I even showed him your other forum post and my reply, and he thanked me for replying with the facts. 

So first of all, for everyone reading this, GoranM is the king of misinformation, trying to pass off real clouds as fake clouds here:

Secondly, my statement is not misinformation.  Here is Investopedia's definition that licensing can constitute entering a new market:

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Licensing agreements allow parties to control property and enter new markets without having to spend the money to do so.

I will continue to call what Toliss is doing, entering the MSFS market.  Go tell Investopedia to take down this definition of licensing if you don't like it. You are passing around misinformation, trying to change basic information that even Investopiedia has defined about business.

2 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Neither of them are entering the market per-say, they're letting MSFS developers licence their stuff.

I love you Tuskin38, but sorry, I am going with Investopedia's definition above. Please see my post above with the source to Investopedia.

 

2 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

abrams_tank didn't say anything about them abandoning X-Plane.

Thank you!  @goranm likes to pass around misinformation all the time. At no time did I ever say Toliss will abandon X-Plane. 

 

Edited July 1, 2025Jul 1 by abrams_tank

3 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

So first of all, for everyone reading this, GoranM is the king of misinformation, trying to pass off real clouds as fake clouds here:

Keep that link. I’m sure it’ll live in your head, rent free, for years to come, without adding full context to it. If that’s your only example to label me the king of misinformation, then you could easily be the universal emperor. 
 

 

6 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

I will continue to call what Toliss is doing, entering the MSFS market.  Go tell Investopedia to take down this definition of licensing if you don't like it. You are passing around misinformation, trying to change basic information that even Investopiedia has defined about business.

Again, toliss are not entering the MSFS market. Aerosoft are making an aerosoft product with toliss’s code.  It’s no different to Fenix and Prosim. Prosim didn’t enter the MSFS market. I know you have a difficult time grasping reality, but I’m happy to correct you when needed. 😉

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