July 1, 2025Jul 1 Just stop fighting about this please! OP - please ignore the guys trying to derail the thread. Just don't respond at all. We can figure out who's posting in good faith vs people trying to pick a fight.. no need to go back and forth with them. 9800X3d, 4090, 64 GB DDR5 6000 RAM, 4 TB NVME (2x2), 4K Ultra + Framegen
July 1, 2025Jul 1 Author 2 minutes ago, GoranM said: Again, toliss are not entering the MSFS market. Aerosoft are making an aerosoft product with toliss’s code. It’s no different to Fenix and Prosim. Prosim didn’t enter the MSFS market. I know you have a difficult time grasping reality, but I’m happy to correct you when needed. 😉 Did you read that text from Investopedia? If you didn't, here it is again: Quote Licensing agreements allow parties to control property and enter new markets without having to spend the money to do so. i5-12400, RTX 3060 Ti, 32 GB RAM
July 1, 2025Jul 1 Commercial Member 52 minutes ago, abrams_tank said: Did you read that text from Investopedia? If you didn't, here it is again: No. But going by your definition, Prosim have also entered the MSFS market. The only people that know the details of the agreement are Toliss and aerosoft. Pushing toliss’s involvement in MSFS, beyond what it is, is detrimental to them, the x plane and MSFS community. People have already started asking questions about toliss possibly abandoning x plane and leaving products unsupported. This isn’t fair to anyone. Edited July 1, 2025Jul 1 by GoranM
July 1, 2025Jul 1 K, I guess it's time to leave the thread and leave you three to your incessant arguing. Have fun! 9800X3d, 4090, 64 GB DDR5 6000 RAM, 4 TB NVME (2x2), 4K Ultra + Framegen
July 1, 2025Jul 1 How did they not show up!? A. Ortega AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Processor, MSI MAG B850 Tomahawk MAX WiFi Motherboard, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB SSD, Samsung 870 4TB SATA, Nvidia GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition Video Card, Rosewill VMG 1000W 80+ Gold Power Supply, Phanteks XT Pro Ultra Mid-Tower Gaming Chassis, Windows 11 x64 Home, 2.5gb fiber ISP.
July 1, 2025Jul 1 18 minutes ago, Dreamflight767 said: How did they not show up!? Perhaps Microsoft had other priorities? My point is expo organizers want maximum attendence which will be lacking without Microsoft attendance. Also, th is not saving the world stuff and good stuff takes time in the gaming world so FSEXPO every 2 years would be a better timing for the event IMO. dd Edited July 1, 2025Jul 1 by Sky_Pilot071
July 1, 2025Jul 1 Commercial Member 1 minute ago, Sky_Pilot071 said: Perhaps Microsoft had other priorities? My point is expo organizers want maximum attendence which will be lacking without Microsoft attendance. Also, th is not saving the world stuff and good stuff takes time in the gaming world so FSEXPO every 2 years would be a better timing for the event IMO. dd Word from the organisers is attendance at this years expo was higher than last years. Asobo weren’t really missed. A large part of the focus was hardware and some keynotes.
July 1, 2025Jul 1 22 minutes ago, Dreamflight767 said: How did they not show up!? Jorg said they wanted to focus on working on the sim.
July 1, 2025Jul 1 If FSEXPO atendance was up this year just think how many more would have attended if Microsoft was there. Just thinking of ROI as an organizer not as an MSFS phobe. dd
July 1, 2025Jul 1 3 hours ago, GoranM said: without adding full context to it. The full context you never provided? 5800X3D. 32 GB RAM. 1TB SATA SSD. 3TB HDD. RX 9070XT.
July 2, 2025Jul 2 Here's what Toliss themselves said: https://x.com/ToLissOfficial/status/1938989058413211882?t=Ef5XTp1W9-YU-hnWclnCcw&s=19 !!! New Collaboration Announcement !!! ToLiss is very happy to announce a special collaboration with Aerosoft. As per the Aerosoft announcement at FSExpo today, their upcoming A340-600 will be equipped with the full ToLiss systems that have been adapted from X-Plane to Microsoft as well as a brand new flight model developed specifically for this project in order to give the very same ToLiss experience to MSFS users. We have been partners with Aerosoft since the very beginning of the ToLiss journey via their store and now we are thrilled that we can extend our relationship into a product release collaboration in MSFS. ToLiss Whether it is technically "entering the MSFS market" or not per whatever definitions, it seems different to me than the ProSim/Fenix thing where Prosim just *allowed* their codebase to seed whatever Fenix did (where Fenix paid a licensing fee etc), without ProSim themselves doing work of their own on Felix's product for MSFS. And side note re: the Toliss collab: it is both systems and flight model. Secondly.. what a surprise, a certain usual suspect is exhibiting their comical and weird insecurities again, and smashing all irony barriers as they continue to make a fool of themselves (as usual). Edit: as others said, best to not respond to them despite them continuing the usual 🙂 Anyways, the jist of the original post by Abrams is true. FSExpo conventions, Navigraph surveys, the 3rd party sim developer market, the sim community and user base, etc etc.. all continue to be dominated by MSFS in the recent years. If that triggers anyone, oh well 🙂 Edited July 2, 2025Jul 2 by lwt1971 Len 1980s: Sublogic FS II on C64 ---> 1990s: Flight Unlimited I/II, MSFS 95/98 ---> 2000s/2010s: FS/X, P3D, XP ---> 2020+: MSFS Current system: i9 13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB DDR5 4800 RAM, 4TB NVMe SSD
July 2, 2025Jul 2 5 hours ago, chapstick said: The return of the Microsoft Flight Simulator franchise has been the best thing to happen to this genre in the past 15 years Yep - totally agree, yet we get so much mumbling and grumbling over the new sim. Amazing that we have an organisation constantly updating, refining and trying to give us the best possible home-based consumer level simulator you can get. Just think back to what we were given 20 years ago and what we had to go through to get FSX to resemble something "reasonable". Short memories for a lot of sim pilots. We've never had it so good with flight sim these days. Jase
July 2, 2025Jul 2 The best part abput MSFS 2024 is that our hobby is moving in the right direction. Microsoft as always is the best thing going in flight simulation these days. dd Edited July 2, 2025Jul 2 by Sky_Pilot071
July 2, 2025Jul 2 Commercial Member 11 minutes ago, lwt1971 said: Whether it is technically "entering the MSFS market" or not per whatever definitions, it seems different to me than the ProSim/Fenix thing where Prosim just *allowed* their codebase to seed whatever Fenix did, without ProSim themselves doing work of their own on Felix's product for MSFS. And side note: it is both systems and flight model. I’ll take the word of the Tollis developer, and his wife, over any other announcement. 12 minutes ago, lwt1971 said: Secondly, what a surprise, a certain usual suspect is exhibiting their comical and weird insecurities again I took you off ignore because I KNEW you would chime in with your usual veiled insults, behind my back, thinking I still had you on ignore. Tells me a lot about you. You’re getting worked up and insulting people over a flight sim. Let that sink in. If I was insecure in the slightest, I would have snap moved to MSFS 5 years ago. Torsten and his wife are very nice people, and Torsten’s wife was very emphatic that the agreement they have with aerosoft is no different to pro sim and Fenix. 20 minutes ago, lwt1971 said: Anyways, the jist of the original post by Abrams is true. FSExpo conventions, Navigraph surveys, the 3rd party sim developer market, the sim community and user base, etc etc.. all continue to be dominated by MSFS in the recent years. If that triggers anyone, oh well 🙂 You can think what you want. The fact is Tollis is not entering the MSFS market. This was stated by Torsten and his wife. If this is enough to trigger you, oh well. 🙂
Create an account or sign in to comment