May 29May 29 2 minutes ago, Wise87 said:Looks like it will be made available on the Marketplace in a few weeks.LightshotScreenshotCaptured with LightshotFinally some sensibility. Jack Sawyer
May 29May 29 How is this any different from Fenix's app? All of you people saying you won't buy it but you also own the Fenix with the same type of system lol...Piracy sucks. It sucks for the developers, it sucks for the customers.Orbx is being transparent about it. This isn't a shady company installing spyware on your PC. It's really not a big deal at all.And if it is truly scary for you, you should disconnect your PC from the internet.... Edited May 29May 29 by ryanbatc | My Liveries | FAA ZMP | PPL ASEL | | Windows 11 | MSI Z690 Tomahawk | 12700K 4.7GHz | MSI RTX 4080 | 64GB 6000 MHz DDR5 | 500GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD | 2x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 | EVGA 850W Gold | Corsair 5000X | HP G2 (VR) / LG 27" 1440p |
May 29May 29 5 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:How is this any different from Fenix's app?The Fenix app also controls some of the systems, it isn’t just DRM.That’s the difference Edited May 29May 29 by Tuskin38
May 29May 29 4 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:How is this any different from Fenix's app? All of you people saying you won't buy it but you also own the Fenix with the same type of system lol...Piracy sucks. It sucks for the developers, it sucks for the customers.Orbx is being transparent about it. This isn't a shady company installing spyware on your PC. It's really not a big deal at all.And if it is truly scary for you, you should disconnect your PC from the internet....Ryan, I agree with you 100%, however, this is different. The requirement to run that app BEFORE you run the sim would be tedious. Jack Sawyer
May 29May 29 19 minutes ago, Wise87 said:Looks like it will be made available on the Marketplace in a few weeks.LightshotScreenshotCaptured with LightshotI will get it for the marketplace, because I don’t care about updates for scenery. However, I’m glad they name dropped Contrail as I will not buy anything from that store again for the same reason.
May 29May 29 33 minutes ago, Jack_Sawyer said:I’ll be done with simming then. Been doing it since the 80’s. I had my fun and my life now has more hobbies than time. Being treated like a potential thief is not a good business model for me though. I detest pirates and like someone said, the Marketplace would have been a lot better. Your product MY money.Don't worry about it! You can always buy at the Marketplace or choose freeware from flightsim.to.I made the decision a long time ago to avoid ORBX. Why? I had a bunch of points and one day they were gone. They expired. So, I decided that I was not going to buy anything ORBX, unless it's available at the Marketplace. Most of the time it's cheaper and now it's streamed. I don't have to worry about downloading or SSD space, etc.Good luck to all devs who decide to go the same DRM route. I recommend this to all devs, "sell your add-ons at the Marketplace. It might take longer to push out updates, but it's so much easier for the customer." MSFS
May 29May 29 19 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:How is this any different from Fenix's app? All of you people saying you won't buy it but you also own the Fenix with the same type of system lol...Piracy sucks. It sucks for the developers, it sucks for the customers.Orbx is being transparent about it. This isn't a shady company installing spyware on your PC. It's really not a big deal at all.And if it is truly scary for you, you should disconnect your PC from the internet....Didn't P3D & XP11 use DRM every time we loaded the sim?29 minutes ago, Wise87 said:Looks like it will be made available on the Marketplace in a few weeks.LightshotScreenshotCaptured with LightshotThis is the best news of the day. Edited May 29May 29 by CFIJose MSFS
May 29May 29 37 minutes ago, DMullert said:Hello Gang.Is ORBX ATL the same as the upcoming Inibuilds ATL which is also releasing today????? If it is, does this DRM nonsense also apply to the Inibuilds version?inibuilds isn't doing an Atlanta.Not sure where you got that from, their next airport is London City. Edited May 29May 29 by Tuskin38
May 29May 29 2 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:inibuilds isn't doing an Atlanta.Not sure where you got that from, their next airport is London City.Thanks for clarifying. I might have gotten it confused with the ORBX. I'll just wait for the Marketplace availability. Thanks. Sincerely, Dennis D. Müllert System Specs: MoBo: MSI MAG X870 Tomahawk WiFi ATX AM5. CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D. Memory: 128GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5600 CL-40. GPU: 24GB Asus TUF Gaming OC GeForce RTX 4090. Monitor: LG UltraGear+ 45" curved OLED. Power Supply: Corsair 1500 Watt 80+ Platinum ATX. HD: 2TB Sabrent Rocket NVME SSD. Windows 11 Pro. Flight Sim Hardware: Joystick: Thrustmaster T16000M. Rudder Pedals: Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Pedals. Yoke: Honeycomb Alpha. Throttles: Honeycomb Bravo. Controller: XBox Controller
May 29May 29 25 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:How is this any different from Fenix's app? All of you people saying you won't buy it but you also own the Fenix with the same type of system lol...Piracy sucks. It sucks for the developers, it sucks for the customers.Orbx is being transparent about it. This isn't a shady company installing spyware on your PC. It's really not a big deal at all.And if it is truly scary for you, you should disconnect your PC from the internet....Well one reason is it starts to become cumulative.There is a growing body of evidence that WASM crashes are heavily linked to the number of running addons, apps and programs you have running connecting to the sim.PMDG have an extensive thread and volume of research that shows a significant link.This is just adding yet another program on top of the mix.As others have said here already the concern will be this will keep spreading, and we will be forced to run more and more of these things.For example if you want to fly the PMDG 737 into KATL you will be running the PMDG program in the background, maybe the Boris sound pack, 3rd party livery, maybe you have the Fenix, Ifly and TDS programs running from your EXE.xml, probably GSX Couatl as well, most people run some kind of flight tracker like Volanta, lots of people have a VATSIM client or BATC/SI running and now a scenery DRM that has to be running as well. Before you know it you've got a dozen programs running away in the background leaving yourself more prone to a lovely set of orange screens.It would not surprise me if Orbx KATL becomes a bit of a WASM fest.Was going to be a day 1 purchase for me but now for the first time ever I am going to choose the Marketplace over a developers own store.History is littered with companies who impose overbearing DRM on their customers and it never ends well - Sony anyone?I guess it continues to be true that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
May 29May 29 17 minutes ago, CFIJose said:Don't worry about it! You can always buy at the Marketplace or choose freeware from flightsim.to.I made the decision a long time ago to avoid ORBX. Why? I had a bunch of points and one day they were gone. They expired. So, I decided that I was not going to buy anything ORBX, unless it's available at the Marketplace. Most of the time it's cheaper and now it's streamed. I don't have to worry about downloading or SSD space, etc.Good luck to all devs who decide to go the same DRM route.I recommend this to all devs, "sell your add-ons at the Marketplace. It might take longer to push out updates, but it's so much easier for the customer."Unlike you Jose, I like Orbx, I've been a long-time customer and have just about everything they make. I've never lost Orb points and have many airports I got for "free" with my orbs. The DRM thing is highly offensive to me though and yes, as soon as it's available on the Marketplace I will buy it there. Jack Sawyer
May 29May 29 I agree with the folks here that DRM is a PITA. Its yet another app running in the background and while they claim it has a small footprint it just never works out that way. In MFS2024 I was trying to reduce the number of addons that need to run.I think the Marketplace option is gonna be a better choice. SpoilerSystem specs: MFG Crosswind pedals| ACE B747 yoke |Honeycomb Bravo throttleNow built: P3Dv5.3HF2: Intel i5-12600K @4.8Ghz | MSI Z690-A PRO | Asus Dual RTX 4070 Super OC 12Gb| 32Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200Mhz |Samsung 980Evo Pro PCIe 500Gb | WD Black SN850 PCIe 2Tb | WD SA510 4Tb |beQuiet 802 Tower Case|Corsair RM850 PSU | Acer Predator X34P 3440x1440pMark AldridgeMSFS2024 SU5 & P3D v5.3 HF2
May 29May 29 3 minutes ago, 787flyer said:I agree with the folks here that DRM is a PITA. Its yet another app running in the background and while they claim it has a small footprint it just never works out that way. In MFS2024 I was trying to reduce the number of addons that need to run.I think the Marketplace option is gonna be a better choice.Not to mention, the next time you have an issue, this will be what you're prompted with first hahahaha“Before, we can help you, we need you to get off the SU beta, empty your community folder, AND make sure you have no stray DRM processes running in the task manager.” Gaming rig Intel i9 13900k - NZXT Kraken Z73 cooler - ASUS Maximus Hero Z790 64GB Trident Z 6400MHz DDR5 - Gigabyte 4090 GAMING OC 24G 10 x 120mm Lian Li UNI fans - Lian Li OD11XL Case - Corsair HX1500i PSU
May 29May 29 2 minutes ago, Jack_Sawyer said:Unlike you Jose, I like Orbx, I've been a long-time customer and have just about everything they make. I've never lost Orb points and have many airports I got for "free" with my orbs. The DRM thing is highly offensive to me though and yes, as soon as it's available on the Marketplace I will buy it there.DRM is not the problem. The problem is the idea of downloading and installing 10GB files. That's so 10 years ago.With today's MSFS v2024, there's no reason to download anything. We buy and stream. The truth is, we don't own any of this software. We are just licensed users, or whatever they want to call it.Last night I bought the PMDG 737-700 upgrade and it was such a PITA to install. But it was only $30, so I just did it!As for ORBX, I still have their AU DVD that I paid $99 for just one region. I was a customer for long time. MSFS
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