It's obvious to no one. By immediately suggesting that Alan's review would be biased you have shown that you have no understanding of the purpose of such reviews. It is his job, and obligation as an AVSIM reviewer to point out both the highlights and shortcomings. He quickly ran into an issue and pointed it out, but I did not get any impression that it was to set the tone for his upcoming review. I have followed his reviews since he joined the staff here and I've yet to see any bias on his part. I highly doubt he would have paid all of that money for a product just to bash it. I expect nothing short of the quality I have seen from all of his previous work.

Alan has retracted the statement that he made which I had a problem with about World Pay. He has clarified the statement and this is all water under the bridge.I do believe now that he will be objective.

Obviously you haven't found where I have also defended PMDG for the price of their new MD11 or all of the times I defended Captain Sim for his beautiful 757 or C130. Or maybe Airsimmer for what they choose to charge on their upcoming release.Obviously I have, which is why I noted that you use the same technique in every forum. Your posts typically note that you have products X,Y and Z from a host of developers and that you think they are great, than you move on to defend Ariane. The problem is that I do not see you speaking up for complaints about other companies with the same enthusiasm as you do with Ariane. Unlike what I have seen from many others in several posts, I am not claiming that you are in any way affiliated with Ariane, but I am curious why you have chosen that particular company to defend in such a vigorous fashion.

Obviously you haven't. I do not go on PMDG's forums and mention Ariane or any other developer, yet I have defended their pricing on their forums. I do not go on Captain Sim's forums and mention Ariane or any other developer, yet I have defended their products and support on their forums. It would be breaking the rules of most developer forums to mention the products of other developers.On the other hand, I do like Ariane and their products and I defend them whenever I see a need. I don't have to apologize to you for that even if it would make you happier for me to join you in running them down.If you see more of an enthusiasm from me when defending Ariane, it is because I see more of an enthusiasm to run them down unjustly.

How Ariane feels they need to protect their software from stinking pirates, in my opinion, is completely their business and their right.Finally something we agree on. It most certainly is Ariane's right to protect there products in any legal manner they wish. Personally, I am angry at the pirates for causing me to have to deal with these protections, not the software company. However, I don't believe for a second that it is keeping the pirates at bay. I believe that many Ariane products, as well as most others, have been cracked and freely distributed. In fact, before being removed by a forum administrator, there was a post at another site where someone claimed to have gotten one of the 737s via one of the pirate sites and he even showed screenshots of the working product as well as instructions on how to work around certain issues. I can only hope that was passed on to Ariane.

You don't think it is keeping the pirates at bay, so you believe that they should give up and quit trying to secure the products. I guess because banks are getting robbed anyway, they should give up and start keeping our money in cardboard boxes out by the sidewalk. That makes a whole lot of sense.Rightsider, we probably agree on a lot of things. We're just talking about one thing here.

The same ones who complain the most about activation processes put in place by developers, more than likely, would be the first ones to download illegal copies if the opportunity came their way.Once again, it is these unfounded comments that remove any credibility from your posts. I have nothing against you personally, but I would never rely on anything you say when it is proceeded by such distasteful comments with absolutely nothing to back them up. I see no connection whatsoever to people with legitimate complaints and the discraceful pirates who keep costs high and activation a nuisance.

Rightsider, I have nothing against you either, but you just agreed with me that the damage piracy is doing to flight simulation and the developers is great, now you say that people should complain about the activation processes that are the only thing that is somewhat half way protecting the developers.I'm sorry, I have nothing "tastful" to say about piracy.I hope that they can manage to make activations 100% secure. I don't know if that will happen, but I hope it does.I find piracy distasteful because it causes the prices of software to go up and destroys good developers and also keeps many would-be developers from getting into the flight simulation business.How do you figure that is an unfounded comment? If someone told you that they wish the bank would keep their doors unlocked at night, wouldn't you be suspicious that they might want to break in the bank at night? That's just sounds like common sense to me.

It will be great if Ariane can establish a good relationship with the FS community, but from my past experiences with them I have chosen to wait on purchasing any further products from them until the general tone in these forums changes from one of disapproval and mixed feelings to the same aura surrounding the folks at PMDG, LDS, F1 and the like.

You have a right to do whatever you want to do, but if you really feel that it would be "great" then you should not join in on bashing them.What exactly is you past experience with them anyway?I don't know about within these forums, but Ariane's reputation is improving quite a bit and their sales, service and products keep getting better all the time.I agree that PMDG, LDS and F1 are very good, but I alway find myself returning to my Ariane Boeings. I just like the way they make their aircraft and I like the way they fly. With the many simmers who love Ariane's Boeings, they do have that aura.Bob

Signmanbob.....I echo your thoughts on a lot of things you have said here. It is pretty common here if one supports a product which a few do not like to be accused of being on the developers payroll/staff. I appreciate the time and effort you have put into your replies and at the same time staying civil, polite and courteous. As I have said here many times(and have been accused of being on the payroll) Ariane's products are superb and constantly being improved. My experience with Ariane support has been great. I have just ordered the manuals from them. If you think manual are expensive in our hobby.....a couple of years ago I attempted to buy for my personal library a manual for the Bombardier/Canadair aircraft I fly for a living and was quoted the better part of $1000.....for one binder. Needless to say I did not buy it.Copy protection.....A developer has to do whatever they think is required to protect themselves. Period. I want them in business down the road.Activation difficulties.....part of copy protection but if you are polite things get sorted out. They want your future business, simple as that. I have never been charged, by ANY developer, ever, for a reactivation for a new machine or a substantial change in my machine.....I.E. new hd or whatever.Getting products to work when they will not.....Last winter I got a new high end machine with Vista ultimate 64(my first experience with Vista - the jury is still out on my thoughts of Vista) and I can't get the Level D to work.....I know there is a way but I am a middle aged guy who just happens to fly for a living and I do not have the computer savy of the kids so, so far I have not got it running, but that is my problem, not theirs. I just haven't had the time (or ambition) to follow it up further. I've got the same problem with the pmdg 747. And, I miss having these two aircraft. Once again, my problem. Eventually I will get it all sorted out. Probably in the fall when things for me slow down a bit. But there were absolutely no problems with my 737-800 V2.Signmanbob......Keep up your comments.....Interesting reading.David Roch......Keep up your moderating as you are doing.....it's very fair.dbw

Getting products to work when they will not.....Last winter I got a new high end machine with Vista ultimate 64(my first experience with Vista - the jury is still out on my thoughts of Vista) and I can't get the Level D to work.....I know there is a way but I am a middle aged guy who just happens to fly for a living and I do not have the computer savy of the kids so, so far I have not got it running, but that is my problem, not theirs. I just haven't had the time (or ambition) to follow it up further. I've got the same problem with the pmdg 747. And, I miss having these two aircraft. Once again, my problem. Eventually I will get it all sorted out. Probably in the fall when things for me slow down a bit. But there were absolutely no problems with my 737-800 V2.

Thank you dbw. I appreciate your support.The trick with Vista is to make sure that you have complete Administrative rightsHere is a good article that Flight 1 wrote on the subject: Flight 1 on Using VistaHere is another one from Level D: Level D on Using VistaMaybe that will help.

I don't know about within these forums, but Ariane's reputation is improving quite a bit and their sales, service and products keep getting better all the time.

signmanbob,It would appear to me, being the recent customer that I am, that when it comes to service, Ariane is still in need of some vast improvements. Per Ariane when an activation request is sent to Ariane an activation code will be sent back within 2 minutes to 48 hours. I am past the 72 hour mark, I have no product activation, no forum activation and no further communications from Ariane. I spent approximately $200 for the 737-800 X2 and some livery packs, and cannot use the product other than look at it in FSX or fly blind. Also, at this point in time the winglet versions of the aircraft are not displaying winglets (this could also be activation related I guess).I have given Ariane 48 hours to respond but from where I stand at this very moment Ariane is receiving a grade of an "F" in the service department. I will give Ariane the benefit of the doubt seeing that this is a holiday weekend, however, I must add, that I have never made an addon purchase from any other developer, that I have not be able to use within minutes after purchase.At this moment in time the only thing I will agree with is that Ariane has increased their sales.Regards,Bob Modrowski

"On the other hand, I do like Ariane and their products and I defend them whenever I see a need. I don't have to apologize to you for that even if it would make you happier for me to join you in running them down."This, signmanbob, is why you have zero credibility. You are constantly selectively quoting and making unsubstantiated accusations. I can not find anywhere in this forum or anywhere else where I have been "running them down." In fact, the only thing I have mentioned about Ariane is that I did have a bad experience in the past, but I never even said what that was. Your posts are borderline misleading/lying."You don't think it is keeping the pirates at bay, so you believe that they should give up and quit trying to secure the products."Once again you are making an accusation that is pathetically incorrect. When did I ever say that Ariane should quit trying to secure the products? The answer is nowhere. I simply noted that I believe that they will still be cracked, but I never suggested they should quit trying. You're right, we probably would agree on a lot outside of this topic, but I would never know given how misleading and flat out false your posts can be."Rightsider, I have nothing against you either, but you just agreed with me that the damage piracy is doing to flight simulation and the developers is great, now you say that people should complain about the activation processes that are the only thing that is somewhat half way protecting the developers."Please try actually reading what I say instead of twisting it. Not once did I say that anybody "should" complain, though I don't care if they do. I said that it is distasteful for you to suggest that those with a complaint about the activation process would be the first to pirate the product."How do you figure that is an unfounded comment? If someone told you that they wish the bank would keep their doors unlocked at night, wouldn't you be suspicious that they might want to break in the bank at night? That's just sounds like common sense to me."Yes, I would agree. Except nobody here is talking about banks. The topic involved activating computer software. You can try to warp reality as many different ways as you wish, but there is no common sense to your logic. Computer software and banks are two entirely different things and make for a poor analogy."You have a right to do whatever you want to do, but if you really feel that it would be "great" then you should not join in on bashing them."This is getting to be a habit with you signmanbob. I never bashed Ariane. The ONLY thing I have said about Ariane is that I had a bad experience with them. Where did I supposedly bash them? Please quit lying about what I say."What exactly is you past experience with them anyway?"I purchased two of the 37s for FS9 and one for FSX. It was the FSX purchase that left a bad taste in my mouth, but I will not be sharing that experience here tonight. I will simply say that I liked the aircraft for the most part.

Ok...getting a bit bored now of the pro ariane or anti ariane comments, I just want to know the answers that were posted many posts earlier about how well the sim actually functions, where its short comings are, where it shines, is there a VNAV issue, whether that be that it works if you do it the ariane way but not actually the "real" way.And my biggest question of all, is does it interface with hardware? I own various Opencockpit modules that work seamlessly with the Level D 767. Its my biggest complaint of the PMDG software. To use a quote made here about "Simtoys" I feel the lack of proper support of Hardware by the PMDG products, or the use of the rather Naff driver system, leaves what could be great products in the "Simtoys" Camp. I too am looking forward to the launch of the PMDG 737, but if it wont interface with hardware like the levelD does it wont be brought, I'm afraid having to click with my mouse, makes the sim nothing more than a game.So can I use my MCP/EFIS/CDU and various switches I have with the Ariane 737? Or is it actually another "Simtoy"I have no issue about cost, If a product is good, contains the features I want, and works I'll pay for it. I understand the Piracy issue, but also understand the frustrations of those that are struggling with an imperfect Activation system. It's obvious from the many years of posts regarding Ariane that they need to look at the way they interface with their customers, both in speed and manners, but these are things they can fix easily, and after all if the product works, does what it says it should, isn't bug ridden, then they actually wont need to worry so much about this as the product will then sell itself!So can someone just please answer without taking into account Ariane's Customer care, price, or email time response. Is this sim any good? Is it going to mean I put my 767 in the hangar for a while? Or am I going to just think I spent alot of money that isn't as good as my 767?RegardsJames

There's an Avsim review coming up soon by yours truly, which is aimed at answering those questions, however, since the product is not activated yet and I've not yet been admitted to the Ariane forums to ask about it, or been provided with any contact email for Ariane (despite registering there a few days ago after purchasing the Ariane 737-900ER), it's a bit slow getting off the ground at the minute.If I fail to get it activated at all (which is a problem some have reported in the past), I'm going to review it in an unactivated state (i.e with none of the instruments or lights working), because that'll be the product I have bought and ended up with.It'd be a short review if I end up doing that, and probably far from complimentary considering I forked out over 100 bucks for the product, and I guess that'd be that, but before we start going down that road, given that it is a holiday weekend, I'm still hoping that this is behind the delay in activation. Even flight sim add-on developers are entitled to a holiday, and if nobody is manning the Ariane emails, then I can't really blame them for that at this moment.A review like that would probably not do SimMarket any favours either, because that's who I bought it from and it is actually their own documentation that is incorrect and the real cause for being unable to activate it, so not really Ariane's fault at all from what I can gather. But we're a way off such a draconian reviewing approach just yet, so keep your eyes peeled on the main Avsim page for a review of (hopefully) the fully activated FSX Ariane 737 in the not too distant future.I know the FS9 Ariane 737 is pretty good, because I have a friend who has it and I've had a few goes with it and was quite impressed, so I'm looking forward to trying out the FSX incarnation. Keep in mind too that if there are one or two things it does not do (as people have complained about on this thread), then I'm not necessarily going to demolish it simply for that, because there are one or two things that many other high end simulated airliners from other developers don't do either, so you have to keep a balance on matters like that, but obviously I'll know more on that score when I take a detailed look at the thing.I can promise you it will be the no-holds barred review you have been waiting for, but you have to remember that such in-depth reviews do not take five minutes to write if they are to be comprehensive and fair.Al

Ok...getting a bit bored now of the pro ariane or anti ariane comments, I just want to know the answers that were posted many posts earlier about how well the sim actually functions, where its short comings are, where it shines, is there a VNAV issue, whether that be that it works if you do it the ariane way but not actually the "real" way.And my biggest question of all, is does it interface with hardware? I own various Opencockpit modules that work seamlessly with the Level D 767. Its my biggest complaint of the PMDG software. To use a quote made here about "Simtoys" I feel the lack of proper support of Hardware by the PMDG products, or the use of the rather Naff driver system, leaves what could be great products in the "Simtoys" Camp. I too am looking forward to the launch of the PMDG 737, but if it wont interface with hardware like the levelD does it wont be brought, I'm afraid having to click with my mouse, makes the sim nothing more than a game.So can I use my MCP/EFIS/CDU and various switches I have with the Ariane 737? Or is it actually another "Simtoy"I have no issue about cost, If a product is good, contains the features I want, and works I'll pay for it. I understand the Piracy issue, but also understand the frustrations of those that are struggling with an imperfect Activation system. It's obvious from the many years of posts regarding Ariane that they need to look at the way they interface with their customers, both in speed and manners, but these are things they can fix easily, and after all if the product works, does what it says it should, isn't bug ridden, then they actually wont need to worry so much about this as the product will then sell itself!So can someone just please answer without taking into account Ariane's Customer care, price, or email time response. Is this sim any good? Is it going to mean I put my 767 in the hangar for a while? Or am I going to just think I spent alot of money that isn't as good as my 767?RegardsJames

I too, have no issue with cost - if it's good, and it's accurate, I want it.Some way back in this thread, I asked a REALLY simple question of the Ariane owners. I even stated a "yes or no" is all I wanted.This question goes unanswered too, along with yours. I've assumed from the lack of response, that the answer was was in the negative.

Ok...getting a bit bored now of the pro ariane or anti ariane comments, I just want to know the answers that were posted many posts earlier about how well the sim actually functions, where its short comings are, where it shines, is there a VNAV issue, whether that be that it works if you do it the ariane way but not actually the "real" way.

Ariane's new X2 Boeing 737 is very stable and has a unique "feel" of what I think the real 737 would handle like.Right now VNAV path is calculated by the FMC and cannot be modified by the pilot, but the plane will fly a full VNAV path. Ariane is working on a totally new FMC that will work along side and with the new NavData Manager.

And my biggest question of all, is does it interface with hardware? I own various Opencockpit modules that work seamlessly with the Level D 767. Its my biggest complaint of the PMDG software. To use a quote made here about "Simtoys" I feel the lack of proper support of Hardware by the PMDG products, or the use of the rather Naff driver system, leaves what could be great products in the "Simtoys" Camp. I too am looking forward to the launch of the PMDG 737, but if it wont interface with hardware like the levelD does it wont be brought, I'm afraid having to click with my mouse, makes the sim nothing more than a game. So can I use my MCP/EFIS/CDU and various switches I have with the Ariane 737? Or is it actually another "Simtoy"

I don't use this kind of hardware, but I have heard this asked before and Ariane support will tell these people to contact them directly by email. I don't know what they are telling them, but I know that Ariane also works with Boeing in making some training products, so they may have other products with features other than what is sold to the normal home PC user.I would suggest contacting them direct.For myself, I'm very satisfied using TrackIR and flipping switches with the mouse, which Ariane's fully functional VCs are perfect for. Just from my perspective, all that hardware would limit the realism to flying only one kind of aircraft which it is made to emulate. When I jump into the cockpit of an Airbus, I don't want to have Boeing hardware all around me.

I have no issue about cost, If a product is good, contains the features I want, and works I'll pay for it. I understand the Piracy issue, but also understand the frustrations of those that are struggling with an imperfect Activation system. It's obvious from the many years of posts regarding Ariane that they need to look at the way they interface with their customers, both in speed and manners, but these are things they can fix easily, and after all if the product works, does what it says it should, isn't bug ridden, then they actually wont need to worry so much about this as the product will then sell itself!So can someone just please answer without taking into account Ariane's Customer care, price, or email time response. Is this sim any good? Is it going to mean I put my 767 in the hangar for a while? Or am I going to just think I spent alot of money that isn't as good as my 767?

In my opinion the Ariane X2 product is outstanding, but like I said, I don't use a lot of hardware other than the standard yoke, joystick, pedals and switchpanel so I don't know how it will interact with those things. It does have pop-up MCP and CDUs but I don't know if that is a factor in working with your hardware.I hope that help a little.

I too, have no issue with cost - if it's good, and it's accurate, I want it.Some way back in this thread, I asked a REALLY simple question of the Ariane owners. I even stated a "yes or no" is all I wanted.This question goes unanswered too, along with yours. I've assumed from the lack of response, that the answer was was in the negative.

I don't really know the answer to that. I have a real Boeing 737 FMC manual and I will see if I can find it in that. Maybe someone else knows now.From my understanding there is probably no one answer to that question since different carriers will order different features on the FMS/CDU. What may be true for one carrier, may not be for another. I believe the software on the FMC is highly customizable when ordering from Boeing.

There's an Avsim review coming up soon by yours truly, which is aimed at answering those questions, however, since the product is not activated yet and I've not yet been admitted to the Ariane forums to ask about it, or been provided with any contact email for Ariane (despite registering there a few days ago after purchasing the Ariane 737-900ER), it's a bit slow getting off the ground at the minute.If I fail to get it activated at all (which is a problem some have reported in the past), I'm going to review it in an unactivated state (i.e with none of the instruments or lights working), because that'll be the product I have bought and ended up with.It'd be a short review if I end up doing that, and probably far from complimentary considering I forked out over 100 bucks for the product, and I guess that'd be that, but before we start going down that road, given that it is a holiday weekend, I'm still hoping that this is behind the delay in activation. Even flight sim add-on developers are entitled to a holiday, and if nobody is manning the Ariane emails, then I can't really blame them for that at this moment.A review like that would probably not do SimMarket any favours either, because that's who I bought it from and it is actually their own documentation that is incorrect and the real cause for being unable to activate it, so not really Ariane's fault at all from what I can gather. But we're a way off such a draconian reviewing approach just yet, so keep your eyes peeled on the main Avsim page for a review of (hopefully) the fully activated FSX Ariane 737 in the not too distant future.I know the FS9 Ariane 737 is pretty good, because I have a friend who has it and I've had a few goes with it and was quite impressed, so I'm looking forward to trying out the FSX incarnation. Keep in mind too that if there are one or two things it does not do (as people have complained about on this thread), then I'm not necessarily going to demolish it simply for that, because there are one or two things that many other high end simulated airliners from other developers don't do either, so you have to keep a balance on matters like that, but obviously I'll know more on that score when I take a detailed look at the thing.I can promise you it will be the no-holds barred review you have been waiting for, but you have to remember that such in-depth reviews do not take five minutes to write if they are to be comprehensive and fair.Al

The email address to use is [email protected] if you would like to contact them. It is the only way I ever get a hold of them. Put the email to the attention of Ed. He has always been very helpful for me.Also be sure that your email program is not kicking their activation email into your "Spam" folder. This happens a lot and is probably one reason for customer problems. I know why they use AOL, but I wish they could find another way too.

I don't use this kind of hardware, but I have heard this asked before and Ariane support will tell these people to contact them directly by email. I don't know what they are telling them, but I know that Ariane also works with Boeing in making some training products, so they may have other products with features other than what is sold to the normal home PC user.I would suggest contacting them direct.For myself, I'm very satisfied using TrackIR and flipping switches with the mouse, which Ariane's fully functional VCs are perfect for. Just from my perspective, all that hardware would limit the realism to flying only one kind of aircraft which it is made to emulate. When I jump into the cockpit of an Airbus, I don't want to have Boeing hardware all around me.

Thanks for your response, this is one of the bad moves Ariane make with there forum being closed, if they could adopt the approach like LevelD have done and have a general forum for none registered users to post pre purchase questions, and keep the main forum locked for users who have registered and owned then they may find more interest in their products, although their site has a FAQ and news item it doesnt really cover areas that are of concern to prospective purchasers, perhaps as a member of the forum you could post this idea? Feel free to quote me.In Respect your comment of Hardware limiting the experience, this is the beauty of opencockpits hardware over some of the other manufacturers, it is far more configurable, can be built as needed, or purchase the "Modules" Where the true beauty lies in the opencockpits methods are how the hardware can be configured. My MCP although "Visually" is a 737 MCP, because the software is totally configurable, you can make the rotaries, buttons etc function as you want, So if you really wanted the VNAV button to raise the gear in your C172 you could, something that the other hardware manufactures lack, especially where specific drivers for specific hardware to use on a specific plane are used. So I can boot FS up, and with one click of the mouse can load a config file that sets my hardware up to function for whatever aircraft Im flying that time. Because the LEVELD 767 is so good, I use it mainly with that, and although the actual layout of the 767 MCP differs from that of the 737, the Opencockpits system allows me to replicate every function of the 767 MCP. The various Mastercards they do , then allow you to build your own buttons, levers, gauges, lights whatever and again configure them as needed. Again Where opencockpits become the choice is price, there CDU Which you can get faceplates for 747, 737, 767 and soon Airbus is around 300 euros, can be configured to work with whatever you choose as such, yet the alternative from engravity is in excess of 1000 euros and will only work with those that have released drivers for their specific a/c and again if the CDU you have is a 737 one cant config it very easily to be a 767 etc. MY MCP/EFIS and FMC all cost less than one single Engravity CDU.I was a mouse user for years, but being able to fly now without scrambling for the mouse, locating where my pointer is then trying to click on a dial while my head moves around in the virtual cockpit using Track IR and FSX own head motion is just unbearable now, especially when flying online, Hence why i fly, the leveld 767 all the time or GA or stock FSX planes, all of which I can either use my hardware with or hand flying anyway. So to me now any Developer that doesnt look to adding support for hardware is only taking the hobby backwards, and with the risk of no new version of FS coming from MS, we need more reasons to keep the hobby alive and the interest in it, after all since the release of FSX, the software development is very slow, compared to what we were seeing with FS9. So I hope Ariane do support hardware, I hope they sort any "Customer" issues out they have had, because like others have said we need to encourage more and more developers into the Hobby otherwise it will dry up.RegardsJames

Thanks signmanbob for the email address you posted. I've fired an email off to them and hopefully they will get on the case. Just cleared the decks of the review I had in progress for Avsim, so I'm ready to give the FSx 737 a good look, and in the fortunate position of only having to work one day this week, so with a bit of luck if they get on the case, then so can I.Al

Thanks signmanbob for the email address you posted. I've fired an email off to them and hopefully they will get on the case. Just cleared the decks of the review I had in progress for Avsim, so I'm ready to give the FSx 737 a good look, and in the fortunate position of only having to work one day this week, so with a bit of luck if they get on the case, then so can I.Al

FWIW, the version that I had purchased performed very well, good sound, wing movement (flex) typical of the real thing ( minimal flex but enough to notice). Excellent panel lighting, panel functionality, as far as I had it working. I changed mobos 3 days later (that was Dec 2007) and that was it for the activation. I am hoping that I can get the product re-activated and really get to fly it.Bruce.

I was really looking forward to two new reviews of this product and I would like to thank both of you who volunteered and bought it. However, the activation problems you experienced so far in excess of 72 hours, are enough for me to give up on Ariane, again. They haven't learned a thing. They do not deserve the support of the fs community.

I was really looking forward to two new reviews of this product and I would like to thank both of you who volunteered and bought it. However, the activation problems you experienced so far in excess of 72 hours, are enough for me to give up on Ariane, again. They haven't learned a thing. They do not deserve the support of the fs community.

Let's give them the benefit of the doubt- they only work week days and today is a holiday (I think) in the UK. Bruce.