On a very positive note, I seem to have gained enough performance to start using Samscenes USA Modern Cities addons again - I had previously disabled them because they resulted in a fair bit of stuttering.

I didn't do any benchmarking or anything, but just taking a helicopter over inibuilds LAX with traffic and the performance improvements were very noticeable.  It is very impressive.  

4 hours ago, Cap737Delta said:

Not that difficult to check and reproduce.  

 

The new vPilot beta fixes this. 

23 minutes ago, kerosene31 said:

I didn't do any benchmarking or anything, but just taking a helicopter over inibuilds LAX with traffic and the performance improvements were very noticeable.  It is very impressive.  

Yeah, I've just flown out of LAX myself and had a very smooth experience.  Before SU4 I tended to avoid it due to it being a bit of a stutterfest.

3 hours ago, JonathanC said:

The new vPilot beta fixes this. 

Ok that's probably the very best news around these days for me, personally.
I've had great performance with SU3 already and was fully happy with MSFS2024 and this missing landing gear bug was the only thing bothering me a lot.

Happy that many others consider upgrading to MSFS2024 now as it further encourages developers to focus on my current sim and not wasting time on the 2020 version.

Edit: typo

Edited December 9, 2025Dec 9 by Konterhalbe

3 hours ago, JonathanC said:

The new vPilot beta fixes this. 

I'm assuming that is useless for those of us who don't use Vatsim?  

15 minutes ago, Langeveldt said:

I'm assuming that is useless for those of us who don't use Vatsim?  

If you don't use Vatsim, the problem mostly goes away if you stop using AIG models and use Justflight FS Traffic models, or native MSFS 2024 models. It's really only with AIG planes that you see it a lot - not all the time, but a lot more than FsTraffic models. 

11 minutes ago, JonathanC said:

If you don't use Vatsim, the problem mostly goes away if you stop using AIG models and use Justflight FS Traffic models, or native MSFS 2024 models. It's really only with AIG planes that you see it a lot - not all the time, but a lot more than FsTraffic models. 

I tried using Justflight last night and the same problem.  (Having uninstalled FSLTL)

I don't want to just use MSFS native as there are so few liveries available.  

Edited December 9, 2025Dec 9 by Langeveldt

1 hour ago, JonathanC said:

If you don't use Vatsim, the problem mostly goes away if you stop using AIG models and use Justflight FS Traffic models, or native MSFS 2024 models. It's really only with AIG planes that you see it a lot - not all the time, but a lot more than FsTraffic models. 

I disagree. This does not only happen with AIG models but also with FSLTL models equally often.

35 minutes ago, Konterhalbe said:

I disagree. This does not only happen with AIG models but also with FSLTL models equally often.

Agreed - I forget that Fsltl models are a thing. Still, like I said, use FSTraffic models and native models and you will see this problem largely vanish. 

2 hours ago, Langeveldt said:

I tried using Justflight last night and the same problem.  (Having uninstalled FSLTL)

I don't want to just use MSFS native as there are so few liveries available.  

Hmm well I guess no choice but to wait while it gets fixed then. While for me the issue is largely fine when I use FSTraffic, I understand that different people have different sensitivities to this issue. 

On 12/8/2025 at 7:36 PM, Tuskin38 said:

Fenix and PMDG fly fine, but updating the PMDG navdata via the EFB is broken, you'll have to do it via navigraph hub

No. 

You just have to delete the folder in the PMDG installation and start up the sim and redownload through the EFB. 

On 12/8/2025 at 3:05 PM, JonathanC said:

Try tweaking the following ( all under Graphics)

1. Airport Services

2. Characters quantity. 
 

you can set to low or off and see 

Not sure what version you are looking at, but in SU4 this does not exist, I've looked everywhere...  😞

3 minutes ago, jfv said:

Not sure what version you are looking at, but in SU4 this does not exist, I've looked everywhere...  😞

They're both right here in SU4

Edited December 11, 2025Dec 11 by Tuskin38

I've been trying to get a screenshot into this but its failing, my Settings-> General->Graphics looks nothing like this 😞 I'm confused, do you perhaps have GSX installed or something??