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MSFS 2024 native A2A Comanche - out now

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7 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

I was wrong in my previous messages, the problem are not the GPS gadgets like a GTN, but coupling it with an older autopilot like their STEC-30, this is a very anachronistic choice from my point of view, a complete non-sense. Hoping that they will focus on the flight model in the future, leaving this GTN-STEC-30 combination to flight dreamers enthusiasts.

Well, at least you can admit you were wrong!! 🙂👍

But then you jump straight into "anachronistic" and "complete non-sense". Which is strange thing about which to complain, because the guy who built this addon actually owns the aircraft IRL.

But really, the meatier issue here is your ongoing criticisms of the flight model. Which you "expertly" describe as being on-rails, despite all evidence to the contrary. It is indeed harder to tell the difference these days with the advancements in MSFS physics/flight modeling, but the Comanche's physics modeling remains amongst the very best available in the sim. Indeed, it's peer level to the best FM's in X-Plane, too.

My personal constructive criticism is that required rudder inputs on the Comanche seem too minimal. But, I've only IRL flown Piper Cherokees and never a Comanche, AND I DON'T OWN ONE so am not intimately familiar with it, so I accept A2A's expertise on the matter.

Do you have anything specific we can evaluate vs the other well known Hi Fi addons with great FM's...?

EtA: You talk about the "persistent snap roll" behavior, but again, not what that really is, esp relative to other Hi Fi addons. When I roll the aircraft, it behaves as I'd expect. So what are you seeing, because I'd really like to test it out on my own.

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11 hours ago, Reader said:

Unless I have misunderstood the comment:

Native MSFS 2024 version: It has always been visible here as are the passengers:

Well, I seem to be having a bigger MSFS 2024 problem because I cannot get the pilot avatar to show up in any aircraft, even default. My co-pilot is there, but no pilot. And yes, I have created a custom avatar. Still no pilot in any of my planes.

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Hi Do you have ChasePlane?

If so Parallel advised they have disabled pilot in internal views due to some unresolved issue with MSFS2024.  This is noted in there known issues on there web site.

I hope this helps.  

Best wishes.

Bob.

 

PS the 2020 aircraft will do still have pilots in external views

3 hours ago, sniper31 said:

Well, I seem to be having a bigger MSFS 2024 problem because I cannot get the pilot avatar to show up in any aircraft, even default. My co-pilot is there, but no pilot. And yes, I have created a custom avatar. Still no pilot in any of my planes.

 

Hi Do you have ChasePlane?

If so Parallel 42 advised they have disabled pilot in externai views due to some unresolved issue with MSFS2024.  This is noted in there known issues on there web site.

I hope this helps.  

Best wishes.

Bob.

 

PS the 2020 aircraft will do still have pilots in external views

Edited by rlaycock

4 minutes ago, rlaycock said:

 

Hi Do you have ChasePlane?

If so Parallel advised they have disabled pilot in internal views due to some unresolved issue with MSFS2024.  This is noted in there known issues on there web site.

I hope this helps.  

Best wishes.

Bob.

 

PS the 2020 aircraft will do still have pilots in external views

Okay, yes, that explains it. I DO have Chaseplane installed in MSFS24. If that is the case and they are working on it, than no worries. Thank you. 

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1 minute ago, sniper31 said:

Okay, yes, that explains it. I DO have Chaseplane installed in MSFS24. If that is the case and they are working on it, than no worries. Thank you. 

Hi

I think its Microsoft who need to fix something, so it may be a while.

If you have a look on the parallel 42 site where you bought chase plane there is a link to MSFS 20204 with the details.

best wishes.

Bob

11 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

the problem are not the GPS gadgets like a GTN, but coupling it with an older autopilot like their STEC-30, this is a very anachronistic choice from my point of view, a complete non-sense.

There's nothing nonsense about this setup, it's quite common.  I've flown aircraft in reality with this setup used for a variety of GPS units and old autopilots; everything from a 182 to a Caravan.  A2A has modeled a very common implementation of coupling older panels and autopilots with a newer GPS unit, something that happens in general aviation all the time.  Most owners don't have the money to fully replace an entire panel and autopilot at once, and with a simple GPSS unit, there is no need - you just press a button instead, and get all the same functionality. 

Also, I think you may need to look up the word "anachronistic" 😉.

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1 minute ago, rlaycock said:

Hi

I think its Microsoft who need to fix something, so it may be a while.

If you have a look on the parallel 42 site where you bought chase plane there is a link to MSFS 20204 with the details.

best wishes.

Bob

It's all good, I kind of figured it was more on Microsoft/Asobo's end. Thanks again for the info. 

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14 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

If you review the previous messages, you will find the information you need. Sometimes the GPS users are just lazy.

Ah yes, my lazy butt found it 😉 Honestly, was that comment about GPS users really necessary? You could have also just repeated what you wrote earlier, that way it would seem like a civil conversation. Anyway, I do not recognize your findings with the Comanche flight model at all. Like I said before, I find it one of the best available for MSFS.

Cheers, Bert

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In this 2-minute video, you can see the aircraft performing "snap rolls." The roll rate may be accurate, but the snapping behavior makes the Comanche resemble the SF260, an aircraft that is roughly 200 kg lighter with a wingspan about 2 meters shorter with acrobatic ability.

Not to mention the A2A Comanche extraordinary ability to fly inverted, if only it weren't for the fact that here we have a carbureted engine instead of a fuel-injected one! 😅

 

Missing the PMDG DC6 in MSFS 2024 (she's here, but...).

'Snap rolls'? That was a demonstration of what happens when you horse the yoke around.

Bar the fact that I don't believe the Comanche is stressed for aerobatics and Asobo hasn't provided a damage model for it either, the 'extraordinary ability' of inverted flight seems completely realistic to me.

A carburetor has a float bowl. The engine is fed from that float bowl. During inverted flight the float bowl will feed fuel to the engine but that float bowl will not refill. When the float bowl empties, the engine will cut out.

Your demonstration illustrates this perfectly.

I understand, like most of us; when you've got a big enough shovel the urge to keep digging is irresistible!🫡

I'm sure if there was something "wrong" with the flight physics then you'd see a lot more than 1 person out of thousands finding fault with it, I think that says everything we need to know here 🙂

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1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

'Snap rolls'? That was a demonstration of what happens when you horse the yoke around.

Bar the fact that I don't believe the Comanche is stressed for aerobatics and Asobo hasn't provided a damage model for it either, the 'extraordinary ability' of inverted flight seems completely realistic to me.

 

I’d like to see you flying a real airplane like a Comanche and perform the same maneuvers I did in the video, like in the SF260. I think that you have no idea about flight model, notwithstanding your acknowledge regarding carburetors. But I think this is a new FS20/24 tendency, because many flight simulator enthusiasts were much more demanding when it came to flight models. My investigation ends here.

Edited by Claudius_

Missing the PMDG DC6 in MSFS 2024 (she's here, but...).

The roll rate is very realistic in the A2A Comanche.  If you yank the yoke to maximum deflection, in a quarter of a second, you will get harsh roll behaviour as seen.   I don't know what else you'd expect to see.  It's not an A380.
 

It should also be said that it's a digital simulator that attempts to interpret complex aerodynamic movement as moving pixels on a screen.    What we see is an interpretation rather than a translation.

Getting FDE right in flight simulators is as much an art than it is a science.  The idea being that holistically, it's a pretty convincing experience.   If you start expecting every single nuance of aerodynamics to be evident, you're going to be disappointed.
 

It's all about having realistic expectations.  Which clearly some people don't have.

Bill 😎
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11 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

I think that you have no idea about flight model

Nice.  What a lovely, open-minded person to engage in discussion with 😄
 

12 minutes ago, Claudius_ said:

My investigation ends here.

We can only hope.



 

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Bill 😎
FS2024 • Currently in 'GA mode' : A2A Comanche 2024 & Aerostar • Black Square C208, Bonanzas, Barons, TBM850, Dukes • COWS DA40 & DA42 • FSW Legacy, C24R Sierra & C414 • Echo Falco F8L • FFX HJET, Visionjet and P180 2024 • Got Friends A32 Vixxen • FSReborn Sirius TL3000, Sting S4 and Piper M500 • Flyboy Rans S6S • Skyward DA50RG • SWS Zenith CH701, RV-8, RV-10, RV-14, PC12 • Milviz C310R • Air Foil Labs Bristell B23 
TrackIR • BeyondATC • PMS GTN Payware • RealTurb • Axis & Ohs • FS Realistic Pro
9800X3D • RTX 3080 • 64GB DDR5-6000
NPPL licence holder in the UK

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