9 minutes ago, JYW said:

We can only hope.

My hope is that the developers will keep improving this airplane, it is a Comanche not a SF260. However, with most of the community satisfied, there may be little incentive to do so.😅

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Edited December 31, 2025Dec 31 by Claudius_

Is it over? Can we get back to reasonable discussion again? Phew! 

 

2 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

My hope is that the developers will keep improving this airplane, it is a Comanche not a SF260. However, with most of the community satisfied, there may be little incentive to do so.😅

I hope you get to fly a real Comanche one day! 

6 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

In this 2-minute video, you can see the aircraft performing "snap rolls."

Those aren't snap rolls. It looks as if those are simply sharp aileron inputs.

A snap roll is an aerobatic maneuver that is performed by sharply pulling the wing into an accelerated stall, then applying a large rudder input to fully stall one of the wings, resulting in a rapid roll in the direction of the rudder input.

Here's a video with a nice demonstration of how to perform snap rolls:

https://youtu.be/9PtS9huzj74?si=RlitgmXla6HTJ9Ri

Just now, martinboehme said:

Those aren't snap rolls. It looks as if those are simply sharp aileron inputs.

A snap roll is an aerobatic maneuver that is performed by sharply pulling the wing into an accelerated stall, then applying a large rudder input to fully stall one of the wings, resulting in a rapid roll in the direction of the rudder input.

Here's a video with a nice demonstration of how to perform snap rolls:

https://youtu.be/9PtS9huzj74?si=RlitgmXla6HTJ9Ri

No point.. he is arguing with people who fly the plane everyday, telling them they don't know anything.. 

6 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

n this 2-minute video, you can see the aircraft performing "snap rolls." The roll rate may be accurate, but the snapping behavior makes the Comanche resemble the SF260

4 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

'Snap rolls'? That was a demonstration of what happens when you horse the yoke around

I see what you mean. However, as DD_Arthur said as well, that is what would happen when you aggressively move the yoke like you do. Maybe you should engage in a discussion with Scott Gentile, the A2A CEO/Owner? He owns the plane, so there's your source of reliable info. You might find him to prove you wrong in your assumptions.

3 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

I think that you have no idea about flight model, notwithstanding your acknowledge regarding carburetors. But I think this is a new FS20/24 tendency, because many flight simulator enthusiasts were much more demanding when it came to flight models

Well, how very nice. I think DD-Arthur is very capable of judging a flight model. Just as well as you are. The question is, where do you base your finding regarding the Comanche flight model on? Do you have real world experience in a similar type?

3 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

My investigation ends here

Maybe it shouldn't. You might learn something from others 😉

To you and everyone else reading this, best wishes for 2026!

7 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

you can see the aircraft performing "snap rolls."

Where was the snap roll?  That's a real maneuver, you know, and not flown by simply banging the ailerons around.  In fact, it doesn't involve the ailerons at all...  

12 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

Where was the snap roll?  That's a real maneuver, you know, and not flown by simply banging the ailerons around.  In fact, it doesn't involve the ailerons at all...  

Yup, already discussed above:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/686291-msfs-2024-native-a2a-comanche-out-now/page/11/#findComment-5656613

This troll must certainly be full... because we've been feeding him relentlessly! 😄

I got my first real flight with the updated Comanche and it is very nice.  Is there any way to get it to play nicer with time acceleration though?  I'm only trying to go 4x, nothing crazy.  Eventually the plane starts jumping around, like the autopilot can't handle the speed.

Anyway, please use the ignore feature instead of letting people derail discussions.  They are entitled to their opinions, but that doesn't mean we need to listen to them or respond to them.  Seems like just about every product thread has at least one person who perhaps lived under a bridge in another life.  🙂

11 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

In this 2-minute video, you can see the aircraft performing "snap rolls." The roll rate may be accurate, but the snapping behavior makes the Comanche resemble the SF260, an aircraft that is roughly 200 kg lighter with a wingspan about 2 meters shorter with acrobatic ability.

Not to mention the A2A Comanche extraordinary ability to fly inverted, if only it weren't for the fact that here we have a carbureted engine instead of a fuel-injected one! 😅

 

Oh...so you're one of THOSE guys! 🤣

Y'know, when I search YouTube for Comanche air show routines, I just can't seem to find any. Hmmm...I wonder why that could be...??

You're flying a Normal Category aircraft in aerobatic maneuvers and then complaining that the flight model needs work...? If you did what you're doing IRL, you'd likely have a bent aircraft or force yourself into Loss Of Control In-flight.

PA-250-POH.pdf

I suggest you familiarize yourself with pp 2-2, 2-4, 2-5, and 3-8 among others.

And since only a suicidal or stupid pilot would perform these maneuvers IRL, we've no way to validate whether the addon performs as IRL. And just because it has a decent roll rate when the yoke is abruptly deflected doesn't mean it's wrong.

You're categorically exceeding the manufacturers limitations in several regards, and you shouldn't be at all surprised if the addon "doesn't fly right".

IOW, if you want to fly it like a Marchetti, then go fly a Marchetti! There's a lovingly simulated High Fidelity version in XP, and it even includes fuel injection so you can hang upside down in your straps for awhile, if that's your thing.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue enjoying an addon that does what it's supposed to do when it's flown in the manner in which it was designed.

 

On 12/31/2025 at 5:29 AM, Claudius_ said:

My hope is that the developers will keep improving this airplane, it is a Comanche not a SF260. However, with most of the community satisfied, there may be little incentive to do so.😅

Agree with Urgent above.  In the first place, there's nothing at all wrong with the roll behavior when banging the yoke to the limit - that's exactly what a light airplane does.  I hate to say it, but many of your posts give the impression that you're attempting to relish your perceived superior knowledge of flying a Comanche (or any airplane) without actually having spent much time doing so.  It's not working out super well for you, because many of us here actually do have a lot of time in aircraft. 

Secondly, as far as the inverted flight goes, yes, the engine would likely quit eventually (although, you've got the aux fuel pump on while doing this so it makes me wonder how that would work... Probably the aux pump wouldn't be powerful enough to keep the carb full, it's not the same as an inverted system, but I don't guess anyone really knows.). As far as being able to aerodynamically fly or glide inverted though, it would probably do that just fine.  You'd likely exceed certified structural loads but unless you really shoved hard, I wouldn't expect it to break.  Sure, it's a flat bottomed airfoil - I've done inverted descents in a Stearman.  The engine does quit of course, but the airplane flies just fine... And those are fat, flat bottomed wings. Certainly doesn't mean they can't make an adequate AoA to produce lift inverted. 

But as Urgent says, it's somewhat disingenuous to judge the quality of a simulation by testing flight regimes the real airplane doesn't inhabit.  As an example, I sometimes used to have students attempt an inverted ILS in a level D EMB-145 simulator (with motion off of course) - it was a great way to lighten up airline training a bit and give them a confidence boost.  Do I think that could be done in a real 145?  Certainly not.  Does that mean the FAA-certified full motion level D sim was junk?  Considering the FAA and other certifying authorities consider level D good enough to receive a type rating in without ever even seeing the real plane, probably not 😉.

 

Edited January 2Jan 2 by Stearmandriver

Cladius,

There are some pilots who make ordinary airplane to behave extraordinary! Have you ever heard about Bob Hoover?

 

Edited January 2Jan 2 by sd_flyer

On 12/31/2025 at 1:29 PM, Claudius_ said:

My hope is that the developers will keep improving this airplane, it is a Comanche not a SF260. However, with most of the community satisfied, there may be little incentive to do so.😅

I don't think A2A ever stop re-examining their models, and are constantly looking for ways to improve them. Scott Gentile is passionate about aircraft and flight simulation.