13 hours ago, Noel said:

Umberto insists this has to do with opening the menu on the Toolbar, but I never do that except for the very first time in a flight because the hot keys do not work until it's done once

Maybe I should clarify menu usage better:

ALL menus have an automatic TIMEOUT, which changes depending on context, longer for normal commands (default 30s) and much shorter for things that you might also want to skip without confirmation, like the operator selection. This means, if you open the menu and don't do anything for more than the timeout time, the menu will hide and you'll have to open it again and, in case of the Pushback, you'll use the Continue pushback option, to continue where you left.

What changes is HOW you re-open it: with PREVIOUS version, before the EFB update came out, IF you closed the menu from the Toolbar instead of the Hotkey, you had to open it again from the Toolbar, because the hotkey didn't work after the menu was closed from the Toolbar. AFTER the EFB update, the hotkey works even if the menu is closed, that's the main difference but, if you let the timeout expire you would still have to open the menu to CONTINUE.

3 hours ago, virtuali said:

Maybe I should clarify menu usage better:

ALL menus have an automatic TIMEOUT, which changes depending on context, longer for normal commands (default 30s) and much shorter for things that you might also want to skip without confirmation, like the operator selection. This means, if you open the menu and don't do anything for more than the timeout time, the menu will hide and you'll have to open it again and, in case of the Pushback, you'll use the Continue pushback option, to continue where you left.

What changes is HOW you re-open it: with PREVIOUS version, before the EFB update came out, IF you closed the menu from the Toolbar instead of the Hotkey, you had to open it again from the Toolbar, because the hotkey didn't work after the menu was closed from the Toolbar. AFTER the EFB update, the hotkey works even if the menu is closed, that's the main difference but, if you let the timeout expire you would still have to open the menu to CONTINUE.

Thanks for that. I was aware of the timeout and have played around with the maximum, 120 seconds, and recently put it back to default. The issue is that when the tow connects I never know whether the pushback option panel will automatically appear, or whether I need to reopen the menu to hit Continue. Previously, most of the time it would appear, now it virtually never does automatically appear, necessitating this extra step. As you know, until enough time has passed opening the menu will not offer the Continue option. So it's just kind of messy. Is there any process I can follow to avoid the need to open the menu to hit Continue?

By the way, thank you for making the pushback walker stop when I choose to cut the straight pushback short.

Cheers

1 hour ago, Noel said:

The issue is that when the tow connects I never know whether the pushback option panel will automatically appear, or whether I need to reopen the menu to hit Continue.

It will always open automatically if you didn't closed it from the Toolbar.

Previously, most of the time it would appear, now it virtually never does automatically appear, necessitating this extra step

Nothing changed from before. It will still open automatically if you didn't close from the Toolbar, and it won't open automatically if you closed it from the Toolbar, there's nothing "random" about it.

If your airplane uses the standard EFB, I suggest using the menu from that, it's completely removes any of these doubts caused by not remembering how you closed it last time.

As you know, until enough time has passed opening the menu will not offer the Continue option.

That's not correct either. If you close the direction menu before the timeout expires, you would always get the Continue option when you opened it again.

Edited July 11Jul 11 by virtuali

15 minutes ago, virtuali said:

It will always open automatically if you didn't closed it from the Toolbar.

This is where you and I disconnect as I've said this over and over. No, I'm not forgetting how I closed the menu, please. Once again, I NEVER close it from the toolbar. I only use the toolbar to open GSX initially, and after that, never touch it again, period.

There is a possibility perhaps Self Loading Cargo is playing a role in this? Right now, SLC which integrates fairly well with GSX, will display a message to this effect: Wait until GSX displays the menu for you to choose a pushback direction and wait until told to release parking brakes. I'm paraphrasing but that is the basic message. Is it possible it is interfering somehow w/ GSX in this regard? When this message appears in SLC, this is when I will sit and wait. 30 seconds goes by, no direction menu appears. I use the hot keys to open the GSX menu only to see the menu offering an option to Interrupt pushback, which I ignore. At that point I hit the keys to close that menu, wait another 15 seconds, try again, and this time the full menu w/ option to Continue appears, after which the direction menu finally appears.

I'm pretty sure now that this has to do with SLC and perhaps you're not familiar with it and how it interacts with GSX. Next time up as a test I will not start SLC and see if this changes the behavior.

Cheers

Edited July 11Jul 11 by Noel

1 hour ago, Noel said:

This is where you and I disconnect as I've said this over and over. No, I'm not forgetting how I closed the menu, please. Once again, I NEVER close it from the toolbar. I only use the toolbar to open GSX initially, and after that, never touch it again, period.

You can say it "over and over" but, it doesn't change the fact:

• GSX opens pop-up menus automatically when the toolbar menu is hidden (not closed)

• GSX won't open pop-up menus automatically when the toolbar is closed (not just hidden)

This is exactly as before.

The ONLY major change from previous version is that now, the hotkey would always work, even if it's fully closed but pop-up menus would still require the menu to be just hidden, not closed.

Of course I re-checked it again and again just to be 100% sure, because before posting anything, especially in reply to someone reported a possible bug, I always verify first.

So yes, I can confirm that, if the menu is only hidden (not closed), the Pushback direction pop-up comes out automatically, exactly like it always did.

Now, why it doesn't for you (and from your description it seems "random") ? No idea, I doubt it's another add-on. If GSX crashed that might happen, but I guess you would realize if it crashed.

Note that, if you open the GSX EFB app, the toolbar menu WILL be closed (completely) from GSX itself, this is of course normal and intentional, so you won't have the normal menu pop-up together with the same menu in the EFB each time you act on the EFB version of the menu so yes, in this case, it's GSX that would auto-close entirely its menu, for good reason.

Edited July 11Jul 11 by virtuali

The over and over part is the fact that I never close the menu using the MSFS toolbar. I think you are saying 'hiding' an open menu is done by using the hotkeys or perhaps hitting the X on the upper right part of the GSX menu, whereas 'closing' the menu happens when you use the MSFS toolbar to turn OFF the menu, correct? Just understand I NEVER close the menu using the MSFS toolbar. To be clear, when you refer to the 'toolbar menu', are you referring to the MSFS toolbar at the top of the screen?

What is the GSX EFB app? I do use the newly formatted pretty GSX menu if that's what the 'EFB' is.

As for 'random', no it's really 90+% of the time regardless of which of 5 planes I am using, that the Direction menu does not appear automatically. I can say once, recently, when the GSX menu option to Interrupt Pushback appeared, I hit the X button on it to close the menu before it timed out, and then the Direction menu did appear a little later if I recall correctly. So obviously we are doing something different and I still can't tell what it is.

I will do a video soon to show you what I'm doing and will include SLC so you can see how it interacts.

2 hours ago, Noel said:

What is the GSX EFB app?

It's the App in the EFB. Like the name says...

1 hour ago, Farlis said:

It's the App in the EFB. Like the name says...

How do we get it?

8 minutes ago, haskell said:

How do we get it?

It's installed automatically, you must have the current GSX update. Of course, if you use an airplane with a custom EFB, you must open the 2d version of the EFB and it won't show in the airplane 3d EFB like it does with planes using the standard EFB.

However, integrating the GSX menu in a custom EFB is so criminally easy (as in a couple of lines of code, since all the work is done by the GSX remote web server), that I expect every developer using a custom EFB would add a GSX page shortly.

1 hour ago, virtuali said:

However, integrating the GSX menu in a custom EFB is so criminally easy (as in a couple of lines of code, since all the work is done by the GSX remote web server), that I expect every developer using a custom EFB would add a GSX page shortly.

Hmmmmm..noting their apparent distain for GSX and their complete unwillingness to embrace it.........do you expect PMDG will :)

Seriously, appreciate the continuous updates and can't wait for multiple jetways.....any chance you can give us a hint how far away that might be?

15 hours ago, virtuali said:

So yes, I can confirm that, if the menu is only hidden (not closed), the Pushback direction pop-up comes out automatically, exactly like it always did.

I know for a fact that I don't CLOSE the GSX menu from the MSFS toolbar. And I also know for a fact the direction menu does not appear spontaneously--it certainly used to half the time, but not now. After the tow just connected at ENBR in the Fenix 320 I waited a good 60 seconds after the announcement that the pin was inserted, and no direction menu, so 'unhid' the GSX menu and used the Continue Pushback button. This only suggests to me you're yet aware of how this can misfire, which you admit to here: "Now, why it doesn't for you (and from your description it seems "random") ? No idea, I doubt it's another add-on..."

I don't use the MSFS EFB so that's out. I guess the only solution for me is to just wait until the main menu shows the Continue Pushback option and proceed from there. It's messy though because once again, you have to wait until that menu offering Continue appears because if I 'unhide' the menu too quickly then I'm presented with the option to Interrupt pushback, which we don't want to do of course. Sometimes I end up doing this a few times until finally the Continue option appears.

Edited July 12Jul 12 by Noel

17 hours ago, virtuali said:

Now, why it doesn't for you (and from your description it seems "random") ? No idea, I doubt it's another add-on.

I just checked on SLC's Discord channel about this issue of needing to hit Continue Pushback because the Direction menu does not spontaneously appear like you think it should. I just posted this yesterday and here is the response from two who responded--the first one is the developer of SLC, the second another SLC user that confirmed what I experience:

FPVSteve — Yesterday at 9:19 AM

...I've noticed too. It happens even without SLC running.

So the developer notes it's not SLC that is the culprit.

I'm mainly flying the Fenix, and I'm having the same issues with Continue Pushback, not using SLC. I'll do a flight later and specifically keep an eye on the toolbar status.

39 minutes ago, outermarker said:

I'm mainly flying the Fenix, and I'm having the same issues with Continue Pushback, not using SLC. I'll do a flight later and specifically keep an eye on the toolbar status.

I checked again, with the Fenix, and it works as expected:

• If the GSX menu toolbar is closed (dark icon), the pushback direction won't pop-up, which is normal and is as it always was

• If the GSX menu toolbar is only hidden (light icon), the pushback direction pops-out automatically, exactly as it always was.
  

I'll see if we can use the same method to make the hotfix work with the menu closed, to pop-up menus, but I can't say right now if it's possible.

20 minutes ago, virtuali said:

I checked again, with the Fenix, and it works as expected:

• If the GSX menu toolbar is closed (dark icon), the pushback direction won't pop-up, which is normal and is as it always was

• If the GSX menu toolbar is only hidden (light icon), the pushback direction pops-out automatically, exactly as it always was.
  

I'll see if we can use the same method to make the hotfix work with the menu closed, to pop-up menus, but I can't say right now if it's possible.

I really like new update and layout you made....only thing, for some odd reason I am unable to assign hot-key. Not sure if I am doing something wrong. Tried on Installer and also when I launch Sim.